The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

The silly part , though , Dave , is that it is still alowable under the rules if it is done correctly .
Only when rogue employees do the "poor me" dance does it get penalized .

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Exactly, because said employee was told he was an equal to his co-worker when he figured out he was lied to. When the light bulb comes on is usually when employees go from happy campers to pissed off. ;)

Again if I were Massa I would have shot Ferrari the bird and made Fred pass me and would have made it difficult at that even with a handicapped car. I would have left the team with a sense of pride knowing I was as good as Fred.

Fred's mantra, is he likes a teammate who pushes him to go faster but never to take a win away from him even if it means telling his team to tell his teammate to back off or let him through.

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I don't think they were directed to do otherwise. It was clear what they were directed to do without a specific order.

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Had Smedley delivered the message calmly , and without the tone he used , which suggested he was under duress , they would not have broken any rule .
Had Massa done as suggested , when first suggested , they would not have broken any rule .
As they said when first grilled , Felipe had made the decision .

That was the decision they had wanted when they made the suggestion the first time . That is the "otherwise" to which I refer .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Had Smedley delivered the message calmly , and without the tone he used , which suggested he was under duress , they would not have broken any rule .
Had Massa done as suggested , when first suggested , they would not have broken any rule .
As they said when first grilled , Felipe had made the decision .

That was the decision they had wanted when they made the suggestion the first time . That is the "otherwise" to which I refer .

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So, what you mean is;

Had Massa broken the rule on first asking, it'd be all fine and dandy?

What was Smeldley's tone on the radio transmissions we did not hear?

You have to remember that Alonso's superior speed was engineered by the team.........

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

You have to remember that Alonso's superior speed was engineered by the team.........

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Geez, you had to go ahead and bring that up again, tsk tsk. :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Rodster

Geez, you had to go ahead and bring that up again, tsk tsk. :s mokin:

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Well, had they not broke the rules, we'd never get to hear about these behind the scenes shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Well, had they not broke the rules, we'd never get to hear about these behind the scenes shenanigans.

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QFT, the whole thing is a farce Fred included. That's why i'll say it again bring in Flavio so at least we all know where the drivers stand with respect to their team, i.e. Alonso #1 and anybody else #2. :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by Rodster

QFT, the whole thing is a farce Fred included. That's why i'll say it again bring in Flavio so at least we all know where the drivers stand with respect to their team, i.e. Alonso #1 and anybody else #2. :s mokin:

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What I am now convinced of, is that there was a lot of behind the scenes shenanigans orchestrated by Alonso during his short stay at McLaren.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

What I am now convinced of, is that there was a lot of behind the scenes shenanigans orchestrated by Alonso during his short stay at McLaren.

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You don't need to go any further than Monaco 2007. Remember Lewis was leading Fred and that abruptly changed and Fred took the win. Remember the press briefing where Lewis sort of looked like Felipe after the Germany race. And Fred said he told the team to tell Lewis "let me through". And Lewis had the look like he was about to kill somebody. Another example was Indy same year and Fred was so pissed at Lewis leading the race which he won btw that Fred in anger drove his car towards the pit wall because Lewis wouldn't hand over the lead.

Look I don't question the skill of Alonso as a driver. He ranks as one of the most skill on the grid and has a killer instinct to go with it. My problem like I mentioned earlier is he ONLY wants a teammate as a benchmark to make him go faster. If that teammate takes wins away from him like Lewis (Rookie) did or Felipe, he feels threatened. If he's as good as everyone makes him out to be then you shouldn't need anyone's help to win the race on your own.

Now wrt Ferrari, I truly believe that between 2007-2009 THERE WAS EQUAL STATUS at Ferrari because Kimi didn't care about who was #1 or #2 and Felipe almost won it in 2008.

Given that press release, I think Massa's stay at Ferrari will not be much longer, and if he lines up another competitive drive before the end of the season, then we may see Massa not so willing to be in the role of move over, red rover

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Given that press release, I think Massa's stay at Ferrari will not be much longer, and if he lines up another competitive drive before the end of the season, then we may see Massa not so willing to be in the role of move over, red rover

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Doesn't surprise me at all which is why Massa would have been happier with himself if he waved the middle finger as he drove by the pit wall and took home the win. As I said before Ferrari has taken on the personality of Alonso.

I don't expect Ferrari to make a move or hint about a Massa move until the season is over just for that reason alone.