Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012

So now that the appeal is of the table, Mads will be the first privateer to win since...?

Cunico, 1993 San Remo

Unless you count Loeb and Kronos but I wouldn't.

Kronos was also private effort.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Kronos was also private effort.

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Pffft. Kronos was as much a privateer effort as M-Sport is for Ford now or Prodrive was for Subaru.

At that moment xsara was an old car, 'cos c4 was already designed.

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Originally Posted by Barreis

Kronos was also private effort.

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Yeah, some blue paint and new team overalls make all the difference...

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

The clutch was heavier than normal. Which means it could be more durable/reliable, so better... It's the right thing they excluded Hirvonen, fair is fair. FIA can't tolerate any cheating...

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but....the clutch they found at Mikkos ds3 was the old design and not the new design which used as a jocker.
Why to use an old part,while they just spent a jocker?This seems that even at top teams they can be mistakes.Of course mistakes=disqualification and thats right.

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Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold

If Citroën have been competing in WRC since 10 years with turbocharged cars and their turbos have supposedly been checked dozens and dozens of times by scrutineers over the years, why is it that suddenly, at Rallye de Portugal 2012, a scrutineer measures the impeller and finds it to be over sized beyond the tolerance ??

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very good question....

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Originally Posted by Antony Warmbold

Has it now become so difficult for them to win that they need to push the limits even more? Has there been some restructuring in the team following the new boss's arrival and mistakes start happening?
I am waiting for the lab to confirm if that impeller is over sized or not.

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Dont think that anybody new boss,will play his career while they are clearly ahead.The lab must be indepented,and not Garetts,if we want to know something true.
Of course thats difficult when ''beside'' is PSA.
About the power,they gained with that 0,1mm i am afraid is not measurable,even not exist.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

But than there is higher risk of failure if the turbine fins get so close to the housing that they can clash with it. So they changed also housing?

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In this case you haven t to change the housing but to machine it.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

Maybe yes but than there is a controlled waste-gate (I believe it's how they keep maximum allowed pressure) so they can't achieve higher pressure anyway. Larger turbine have more inertia so it has slower reactions. From my uneducated point of view I can't see a reason to cheat by making turbine 0,1 mm larger. I tend to believe it really can be caused by high-temperature creep and therefore be more a defect of the turbocharger than a cheat.

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For sure there is no gain from 0,1mm.Just remember that in grN from 32mm to 33mm they gained 20-30bhp.To cheat with 0,1mm(2-3 bhp) in a wrc car that after every rally is going to measure plenty of parts because is 99.9% at first 3 cars is plain stupid.

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Originally Posted by Mirek

In all previous cars they had turbos designed specially for their cars but now the turbo is same for all WRC cars (if I'm not mistaken)

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previous wrc cars all used garett tr30r turbocharger,except subaru which used ihi rx-6.Tr 30r is a universal racing turbo.