The Ferrari thread !

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Similarly , Massa was told he was slower , which is a directive to work for the team .
He made to choice to act for the team , and despite having done it in the most obvious way possible , did it so as not to be fired , for refusing to do as asked .

And , had he done it the "legal" way(ie - not so obviously) , they would not have been fined .

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Baggy, that directive is ILLEGAL under the present sporting regulations.

And that's not everything. In order to make it even worse Massa was ordered to run less revs while Alonso was on full revs.

What Ferrari did in the German GP is not defensible as legal under the current regulations.

Remember 2007? and what Alonso did to his team that year? He went to the FIA and claimed the team are disadvantaging him and he was assigned a FIA commissary to check that he got equal opportunities to his team mate. In Germany he was whining on the radio for the team to use team orders when he already had a car advantage handed to him. He's the biggest prick in F1 and Ferrari F1 became his whore, which makes it quite obvious why people stopped supporting them.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Did they though? How long had Massa been on a 'lower' setting that Alonso. And why did Alonso need a boost if he is the faster driver?

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Exactly. Mr 'six tenths' is just a hysterical primadonna unless Domenicali does what Briatore did for ages and handicaps his team mates.

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Originally Posted by Rodster

That's why it would have been in Massa's best interest to give the middle finger to Ferrari and MAKE Fred pass him. If he was questioned as to why he held up Fred I would say they wanted me to let him through. Then an investigation would have ensued which would have shown Ferrari had asked Felipe to slow down his car while letting Fred come back up to full power.

Felipe is the only reason I still follow Ferrari, once he's gone it's anybody but them. :s mokin:

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Same here.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Exactly. Mr 'six tenths' is just a hysterical primadonna unless Domenicali does what Briatore did for ages and handicaps his team mates.

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That's why I hope Flavio gets to run Ferrari because it will complete the circle. Ferrari has become the black hole for unethical individuals. Massa deserves better so does Smedley. I hope they both leave and take their toys to Sauber.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Baggy, that directive is ILLEGAL under the present sporting regulations.

And that's not everything. In order to make it even worse Massa was ordered to run less revs while Alonso was on full revs.

What Ferrari did in the German GP is not defensible as legal under the current regulations.

Remember 2007? and what Alonso did to his team that year? He went to the FIA and claimed the team are disadvantaging him and he was assigned a FIA commissary to check that he got equal opportunities to his team mate. In Germany he was whining on the radio for the team to use team orders when he already had a car advantage handed to him. He's the biggest prick in F1 and Ferrari F1 became his whore, which makes it quite obvious why people stopped supporting them.

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Heikki was told he was slower .

Same words .

And , he dealt with it with dignity , and was lauded for it .
He worked for the team , and capitulated upon first request .

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Originally Posted by ioan

Exactly. Mr 'six tenths' is just a hysterical primadonna unless Domenicali does what Briatore did for ages and handicaps his team mates.

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Ioan , my friend , it seems as though you are just now coming to understand the basic strategy that the reds have used for many years .

They are often known to determine very early in the year , the driver they believe to be the one they will ask to go for the title .
Cruel as it may seem , they have decided to back Alonso to win for them , and Felipe , if he is truly an honourable driver , will play the role of the dutiful number two , and help Ferrari to win both titles .

That he was told his team mate was faster in a sentimental race for him is doubly cruel , but , in the end , it is the championship for which they all compete .
To lose the game , having gone the sentimental route would be foolish in the most cruel way .

It's pragmatic , and sometimes it hurts , but it is the Ferrari way .

The mouse had his chance .
Pouty mouse now needs to go , having shown his true colours .

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Originally Posted by Rodster

That's why it would have been in Massa's best interest to give the middle finger to Ferrari and MAKE Fred pass him. If he was questioned as to why he held up Fred I would say they wanted me to let him through. Then an investigation would have ensued which would have shown Ferrari had asked Felipe to slow down his car while letting Fred come back up to full power.

Felipe is the only reason I still follow Ferrari, once he's gone it's anybody but them. :s mokin:

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So , you must actually think that , because team orders are banned , they are never used ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Ioan , my friend , it seems as though you are just now coming to understand the basic strategy that the reds have used for many years .

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Baggy, I get the strategy, however I hate the whining of men.

well how about quitting the whining yourself a bit then too ;) :laugh:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

well how about quitting the whining yourself a bit then too ;) :laugh:

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Looks like you should take up your own advice then. :p