Mobile phones & tablets thread

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Originally Posted by henners88

Yeah I find like you say, the update comes through but doesn't tell you what it is. Some updates have taken a minute or two and have been bug fixes, and the last one took 30 minutes and was a new OS. Without trawling through the internet trying to find out what it could be, you have to trust that this update will suit your phone. A friend of mine has a HTC Beats Audio phone which is a lot newer than mine, yet when I scanned for updates for him (which you can do in the settings) it said the phone was up to date. His phone is running an old version of Android, and yet HTC allowed the Incredible S to have the update and not a newer model?! As it happens, my phone now runs awfully slow.

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As far as I understand it three parties need to agree for the update to be allowed on your phone. Google obviously is happy with any phone running it. The makers have to make recommendations and some like Sony have refused completely saying it slows their older models down too much. Then the phone companies themselves have to agree and they might allow it on some handsets but not others. Hence why I think you can have one phone getting ICS on one network but not on another network.

I was under the impression that my network had refused ICS completely but then they obviously changed their minds, something they didn't inform me of so I thought the update was a security fix until I saw the size of the download. By then it was too late.

Its a confusing picture and it also makes ioan's bizarre assertion look a little stupid.

Even Apple tells you what the upgrade it first and gives you the opportunity to reject it.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

You show a level of condescension in your post that displays a lack of knowledge of how things happen in reality.

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Yeah 'lack of knowledge of how things happen in reality' meaning that I underestimated the stupidity level that can be found out there. You are certainly right.

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Originally Posted by henners88

My phone would continuously remind you to install the latest version with update reminders. Not all android devices get the update and you tend to expect it to work if the manufacturer has allowed it to be released for a certain phone. With the numerous updates I have installed, android 4.0 is the first one that hasn't been compatable. I suppose I was too trusting.

Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk 2

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As long as the update is not installed automatically it is up to the end user to check if he will benefit from the update or not.
I do not install more than 10% of all updates that are sent to me for my Samsung Tab and BlackBerry phone.
First I check the data available to see if it is worth it or not, then I decide, then I go for it or not. It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by ioan

As long as the update is not installed automatically it is up to the end user to check if he will benefit from the update or not.
I do not install more than 10% of all updates that are sent to me for my Samsung Tab and BlackBerry phone.
First I check the data available to see if it is worth it or not, then I decide, then I go for it or not. It's that simple.

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And how do you do this if you are not told what the update is?

Is this pretty much the last hurrah for Nokia?

Nokia cuts prices of older Windows phones, shares fall

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(Reuters) - Loss-making Nokia has slashed prices of its older smartphone models using Microsoft Windows software, industry sources said on Thursday, a day after investors gave its latest Lumia phones a rapid thumbs-down.

Two industry sources told Reuters that the Finnish group, which is struggling to recoup ground lost to its rivals, cut the price of its mid-range Lumia 800 Windows Phone by around 15 percent this week and made smaller reductions on other Windows models.


Nokia shares continued falling on Thursday after slumping 13 percent on Wednesday as the firm unveiled two new Windows Phone models in what may be the last major shot at reclaiming market share lost to Apple Inc, Samsung Electronics Co Ltd and Google Inc.


Nokia did not disclose the price or roll-out dates of the new models - which with their rounded edges and colourful covers look similar to their predecessors - and its share fell a further 4.6 percent to 1.9 euros by 1320 GMT on Thursday.


Research firm CCS Insight, which tracks market prices, confirmed the cuts and said they were necessary to keep momentum behind current Lumia 800 and 900 devices now when new products have been announced using the updated Windows Phone 8 software.


Nokia needs the new models to succeed as it has logged more than 3 billion euros ($3.78 billion) in operating losses in the last 18 months, forcing it to cut 10,000 jobs and pursue asset sales.

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My guess is if the Windows Phone 8 OS does finally make a dent in the market, it will probably be with phones made by Samsung. Unless Microsoft is willing to make a large equity investment in Nokia, I can't see that company surviving for very much longer - their cash burn is accelerating at too fast a pace. Both Nokia and RIM seems to be in a race toward the graveyard at this point. And if BB10 is a flop, RIM's best hope probably is to continue the process it seems to have already started: sell itself or fully license its patents to competitors. HTC, another phone OEM that's having financial issues, is said to just now be considering a tie-up or licensing deal with RIM. As for Nokia, from what's been said, Nokia doesn't' really have much worthwhile to sell or license. The hits seem to just keep coming for that once dominant player.

Mobile firm cuts prices of old models after the announcement of new ones.

This is news?

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Originally Posted by Mark

Mobile firm cuts prices of old models after the announcement of new ones.

This is news?

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I think the news is that the "old" Nokia Windows phones didn't sell very well when they were new phones and now the new phones replacing them aren't being seen as competitive either. At least that's how I read the article. Usually when new products are announced, the share price rises. But in this case, it fell rather dramatically. Not a good sign for an already struggling company.

Nokia simply has to do something... has to get some phone to catch on, as it can't afford to rack up another $4 billion in losses over the next year or so.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

Is this pretty much the last hurrah for Nokia?

Nokia cuts prices of older Windows phones, shares fall





My guess is if the Windows Phone 8 OS does finally make a dent in the market, it will probably be with phones made by Samsung. Unless Microsoft is willing to make a large equity investment in Nokia, I can't see that company surviving for very much longer - their cash burn is accelerating at too fast a pace. Both Nokia and RIM seems to be in a race toward the graveyard at this point. And if BB10 is a flop, RIM's best hope probably is to continue the process it seems to have already started: sell itself or fully license its patents to competitors. HTC, another phone OEM that's having financial issues, is said to just now be considering a tie-up or licensing deal with RIM. As for Nokia, from what's been said, Nokia doesn't' really have much worthwhile to sell or license. The hits seem to just keep coming for that once dominant player.

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Ummm OK, it took me 2 seconds to google "nokia cash reserves 2012" and find out that the situation is not quite as dire as some would like to suggest. The media loves to take dumps on anyone who isn't Apple.

What the fork does Nokia need to do to get praise? If you got the launch articles and replaced Nokia with Apple and Lumia 920 with iPhone 5 then everyone would be singing the praises of the new iPhone 5 and quite rightly so, it would be a fantastic product.

I'm going to sound silly, but it seems like the whole media game is rigged, release a product called an iPhone and no matter what it'll be praised or at least not slated, put Nokia on it and even if it performed sucky sucky 2 dolla then it'd get slated, stick Samsung branding on it and it'll be successful but get sued.

The Lumia's are gettting a price cut because the initial hype around them is of course lessening as time goes on, Microsoft and Nokia still want to draw people into the WP family and because they're automatically worth less to a customer now that the WP8 Nokia's have been launched.

My phone contract runs out on November 4th and WP8 Launches late October, convenient! :)

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

I think the news is that the "old" Nokia Windows phones didn't sell very well when they were new phones and now the new phones replacing them aren't being seen as competitive either. At least that's how I read the article. Usually when new products are announced, the share price rises. But in this case, it fell rather dramatically. Not a good sign for an already struggling company.

Nokia simply has to do something... has to get some phone to catch on, as it can't afford to rack up another $4 billion in losses over the next year or so.

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I'm sorry, but can I have some of what you're smoking? The Lumia 920 will likely eclipse the iPhone 5 in every single sense hardware wise. The reason why it's not seen as competitive is because it's not called an iPhone and it's not allied with an OS which is yet to be a runaway success. In fact I'm sure that if the iPhone 5 was just an original iPhone in a different colour then it would sell more than the Lumia 920 will. So you've got to ask yourself what the problem is and whether Nokia (at this point in time with decent product) is at fault or whether people will just buy whatever Apple peddles.