Vodafone Rally de Portugal 2012

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Originally Posted by studiose

They're not all bad. They have splits. ;)

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true...And many, many adverts!!

Bravo Mikk.. euhh non Mads.. euhh non Evgeny lolllllll... Bravo WRC.COM en tout cas lol


From planet marcus...I dont know what "en tout cas" means but I understand enough of the rest of the text to know that this is a dig at WRC.com - Ha!
Novikov - King of portugal :D

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Originally Posted by Ville

Does it make a difference? In both cases the part was different in reality than in a document.

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Yes, it does make a difference. In one scenario the part was legal but the paperwork wasn't correct whilst in the other the part was not legal.

Maybe my best picture this weekend: imgur: the simple image sharer. On Friday, I was remembering the 2001 edition of the rally during the whole day. Worst conditions since it moved to the South. It was also the worse of the five editions I've travelled to the rally there.

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Yes, it does make a difference. In one scenario the part was legal but the paperwork wasn't correct whilst in the other the part was not legal.

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Was the clutch actually illegal? Same way illegal like too light car or oversize intake restrictor? I understood that there was nothing illegal with the clutch, but it did not match with the one in papers. With different paperwork there would not have been any problem?

Of course it was a mistake, and Citroen deserves a sanction. But there are other options too than only disqualification.

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Originally Posted by Ville

Of course it was a mistake, and Citroen deserves a sanction. But there are other options too than only disqualification.

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Please show me where these options are listed in the FIA Schedule of Penalties

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Originally Posted by Carlo

Please show me where these options are listed in the FIA Schedule of Penalties

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I have no idea. But somehow in the history they have used time penalties with these unhomologated parts.

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Originally Posted by Ville

Does it make a difference? In both cases the part was different in reality than in a document. Also in both cases team did not benefit from this.

Then Sweden 2012. Proton used lighter suspension arms than homologated. They got 2 minutes penalty and a severe reprimand.

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I think it is quite OK when new manufacturer enters to the WRC and during the first year, nearly on the first rally, they have minor problems and they get time peanlties and severe reprimand. When next mistake appears then its should end withy the exclusion. Citroen and Ford have been there for ages and their mistakes should not be allowed anymore. Moreover, Citroen has little bit similar mistake already.
So, I am still in the position that every car that is using non-homologated parts or parts which are not like homologation states should be excluded. Only exception can be some minor problems and when the manufacturer first time enters to the sport.

Just curious, all cars goes through so deep check procedure?
And return to what I said earlier. Agree, to check more than 50 cars is impossible. But at least there are no more than 10 cars, who can be called as pretenders for victory. Why not check all of them before the event? At least 4 cars are the most important?
What is algorithm to choose the car to check after the event?

As for me it looks there was insider information.
Interesting, if e.g. Solberg or JML won the event, and Mikko was 2nd, his car also would be so deeply checked?