Toyota now testing in Spain and/or Portugal.
Testing new WRC27 car, not only WRC2 car.
At least Hänninen and Hussi are there. Maybe also faster guys...
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Toyota now testing in Spain and/or Portugal.
Testing new WRC27 car, not only WRC2 car.
At least Hänninen and Hussi are there. Maybe also faster guys...
By the timeline they are working, the WRC27 car will be ready for Monte 2026. The only proper team
Lancia yesterday confirmed they wont build a WRC27 Car for 2028 and will remain with their new Rally2 Ypsilon Integrale:
https://rallyjournal.com/lancias-tem...mly-dismissed/
Of course it will all follow that path. According to wikipedia for Rally2 cars the homolgations expire:
-both Fiesta Rally2 and R5 (2026)
-i20 Rally2 (2028)
-i20 R5 (2027)
-C3 Rally2 (2030)
-208 R5 (2027)
-Fabia RS Rally2 (2031)
-both Fabia Rally2 evo Fabia R5 (2026)
-Yaris Rally2 (2031)
Why would anyone even bother?
sure, not a wrc car. rules are totally different.
but booooy we wouldnt mind watching 900hp.AP4 cars, eh??? (paddon)
https://youtube.com/shorts/MYdCQaWVO...ec81qqarp6tedh
Car will be ready earlier than the regulations...Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
With 900hp, you need to change Hankook tires after every 5km.Quote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
According to the rumours the 2027 have four class wrc1 wrc3 wrc4 wrc5 right? the wrc2 will be cancelled or combined to wrc1?
That doesn't make any sense at all. Wrc1 have "Rally1" and Rally2 cars. Wrc3 have Rally3 cars. Wrc4 have Rally4 cars and Wrc5 have Rally5? So JWRC will be second top tier class? That just is so stupid
Also I didn't saw anything under Rally3 class cars present for all championships for WRC for many years now, so Rally4 and Rally5 cars will not drink water here.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/lanci...oogle_vignette
I think someone else posted that Lancia won't be in '27 main class :(
but "rally2" is the main class in 2027.
toyota will run a pair of wrc27 because they want to build them. it was said both rally2 and wrc27 have more or less the same performance levels (theres a weight difference probably but they will work it out - not without some controversy, of course)
I have a feeling that more of them will follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
I still don't get the point what are they trying to achieve here running WRC27 alongise Rally2 cars. If lower category car will beat them it will be total embaressement and why would anyone even try build it in the first place.
And again it's total non-sense why development costs are so high... Way higher than current regulations. And following Lancia statement that the costs are too high, well, I totally understand it.
This WRC27 is a total bullshit. When we will have several brands aligned on the start line I will change my mind, but currently it does seem that their idea will die even before it will live.
Toyota will likely win with their WRC27 Car (no change there).Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
But at least there will be more brands of (Rally2) cars 'competing' with them in the top class.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G6SzswrW...jpg&name=smallQuote:
Originally Posted by saco0o
Best option for a competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Nobody wants Toyota alone in RC1.
When there's enough WRC27 manus/builders, either RC1 will be reinstated or Rally2 gets deprecated, possibly both.
I've just seen the Motorsport UK rep for the new World Motor Sport Council is Hugh Chambers. DR not on any candidate list. Feed that into the rumour mill.
DR is too old to be eligible….
Not for WMSC.
Geely/Volvo's Chinese brand Lynk&Co announced a plan to expand into endurance racing and rallying, but without any details. They run TCR car since 2019. (link in chinese)
Geely recently announced that it will directly enter TCR World Tour next year, so I imagine it will take the place of Lynk & Co in there. Maybe the Lynk & Co brand will be used for rallying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
if it will be evenr Geely's call, it could be Proton, since it's their brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Hugh's always been running the show, DR is number 2...Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
DR is the current UK rep on the WMSC.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobJones
Hyundai upgrading Rally2 car to “cover all bases” as 2027 WRC decision looms...
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...ooms/10782014/
“The next WRC car or whatever it is, is a bigger picture thing that we need to understand the direction of the sport, the promoter, and we still have a problem on the powertrain. We still do not have an engine that can qualify with the regulation, as you know it has to be a production-based powertrain - unlike the one used in Rally1. The FIA is aware of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
“We have not committed to enter that car [Rally2] into a championship because we don’t know the rules of that championship.”
So they're not wholly against WRC2027 from this.
Nobody is against new regulation I think.. The whole world is against FIA and their undecided stuff going on. The thing is, that nobody will be ready in time... Why? We all know why. Because it's hard to start doing something when things are not clear and not decided what will be the final form of regulations. Someone here say, that the teams already knew everything they need to start doing on new cars, but all this articles do prove that they don't know much more than we. That's why I'm thinking if there is a chance that maybe current regs could be extended for 2027, so the teams could have time for proper develop their new cars. Don't know what's the hurry.
But we are glad that Hyundai at least start doing something, better than nothing (which practicaly could mean that they will leave), so there is a hope still. Also private teams will like the fact that their car could be worthy for a couple more years.
My belief is 2027 is intended to get the promoter/FIA out of the hole of having to guarantee the entries.
On the unknowns Deephouse, it ain't the technical regs but who the teams will do business with. This should be sorted this month.
Fourmaux testing the i20 Rally2... is he checking it's got a chance of being competitive in 2027 from how it is now ?
https://youtu.be/4lvREtetMso?si=TiuRHb5oZHFoYzmW
I spoke to a member of the Chinese media that attended Saudi... Chinese manufacturers are no longer interested in the WRC. Hybrid? ICE? What are the promoters trying to show/portray? Given that is last years news... but also what will the de-spec'd WRC class of now turning into a Rally2 offer?
The Chinese are more interested in Rally Raid. To show off their technology, be Hybrid or Electric but also how strong their cars; mechanical parts (suspension, drivetrain, engines etc).
So Raid is in and Rally is out.
Sad but true. What does the WRC offer the Chinese?
Just out of interest. How known raid actually is? I have never followed it myself, so know the obvious Dakar and Baja. Also that there's one event in Turkey and one that used to run Western Siberia/Kazakhstan/Mongolia area or sth like that. But the only media coverage you'd get in Estonia would be of Dakar.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Even that non-sense with those SUV's will end someday. Right now, brands are following that, because it's forced popular variation of a car, but we all know it's practicaly only because SUV's can be selled for way more for the same amount of production costs. And the rally raid have status of world championship, it's cheap and there is a Dakar, probably one of the most recognizable race in the world. If you look at each brand, almost all do have one, maybe two ''regural cars'' and 17 SUV's in their palette And even those two are somehow raised very high, look strange and offer very little for very big chunk of money. Brands are just following stupid agenda.
Or, maybe, brands are selling SUV or SUV crossovers because people buys them? What tf even mean "agenda" in this case?
Also brands like Dakar not only because it's a way to show their SUVs and pickups, but also because it's very easy to enter. They can choose any powertrain they want - electric, ICE, hybrid, fuel cells, whatever they want, not just 1.6 i4/3. It doesn't matter if they have eligible base model as the cars are built on spafeframe. And not just for brands, everyone can build car in their garage, put any badge they want and go to Dakar.
And viewers don't care that they are space frame, well almost nobody knows that. They don't care that the cars looks totally different than Hilux/Raptor/Amarok/whatever looks completely different. They don't care that Dacia runs prototype that looks like nothing in anything in their line and uses engine from Nissan GT-R.
And maybe that's where rallying should take inspiration from.
Who when where are the Chinese marques who were interested in WRC, and those now competing in Rally Raid?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
What does WRC offer anyone.
It was published some time ago that there is interest from there. But the last thing we got was that Lynk&Co will go rallying.. Probably meant Rally Raid and not rallying.
We'll see. But yeah, I'm afraid Chinese manus won't be very interested in rallying until there will be more freedom in powertrain choice.
Altrough Lynk&Co and MG have TCR cars, so maaybe we can see them in rallying.
Chinese manuf’s aren’t so far interested in motorsport of any discipline.
No need to drag down rallying around it.
Hell, they don’t give a shit about Formula E and that should fit them
That's why I think the closest chinese brand is Proton (actualy they are owned by Geely), which was in rallying, have some herritage, some success and were interested for top step various times already, but never come to this.
Back in their rally days Proton were a force of the Malaysian state, like a lot of manufacturers, and the R5 was a British effort. This isn't a topic worth discussing it just generates rumours like Dacia.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
I just mentioned them because there was article that Lynk&Co is going rallying.. Their parent company is Geely which both are chinese brands. And also Proton under the same umbrella. They have herritage and have several wishes to enter. It would be the most logical than bringing some brand which doesn't even build proper cars for that discipline. I know it will not be rallying but probably raid. But who knows. Maybe someday we will see some progression in our beloved sport.