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I'm not aversed to a change in point system. I'd just wish the points were given for overall on Sunday instead. Super Sunday is an alright addition. But in this case, Sundays should be longer than they are todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
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For me, the best solution with points should be:
- points for general win after Sunday (like in the past, 30-24-21 etc)
- bonus points for Sunday (no problem if 10-8-6 etc)
- no points for powerstage
Any point system that i can't explain to a novice is a stupid point system.
And this is an especially stupid system, awarding way too many points for just 3 stages and 50km.
Exactly, i tried to explain the new points system to my girlfriend who occasionly watches rally with me, and i seriously couldnt explain it in few sentences, and that is the main problem with the new system. Otherwise i like it and if you are inside the WRC all the time it is fairly simple, but it doesnt help with the new fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
But based on monte it did bring me to wake up at 8am on a sunday to watch rally, last year i rarely forced myself to wake up for the first stage since everybody was cruising. atleast on power stage rehearsal you could see somewhat faster driving. But now the whole sunday was interesting.
Lol, cancel power stage?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
I would ask if we are focusing too much on the Sunday cruising and messing up other things to fix that one particular issue. For example this weekend there was no mention of the Sunday standings and points except for drivers saying that they are "going for Sunday points" instead of "saving tyres for the powerstage". If it's just a perception issue maybe it would have been easier to simply not take the interviews :P Anyway my feeling is there is a big controvery about this also inside the FIA, competitors and promoter and it seems to have been done out of panic.
Since we had the proper battle for the rally win the Sunday points got mostly ignored, maybe they will focus on them more if there are 30s gaps overall between most drives to have some discussion point. For that situation i guess they're fine, but the way it is now the "real" fight for the win had no rewards attached. It will be an interesting discussion if the Saturday leader has a puncture Sunday morning, changes the wheel and then wins the Powerstage - that'll be 23 points for someone finishing 2 minutes down overall... I guess for some if it doesn't happen it's ok but for me that this possibility exists and is not some strange 1 in a million chance is a black mark.
If they gave the 18 points for the winner at the end of Sunday instead of Saturday this system would be acceptable for me but as it is it just pisses me off. Sorry for repeating myself, I might need to take a step back and follow the rallies "from a distance".
try this "it's the same with some bonus assigned after the race"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
but that's not at all what it is, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
so the solution to explaining this points system is either to ignore it or lie?
sorry, why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
winner of the rally is still the best time overall. then there's the point allocation, based on the final results on sunday ( no point from saturday if dnf on sunday). some bonus apply. it's just a different point allocation, i don't see that much of a revolution...
Agree. The winner need have (more) points.
On a different matter, now they're aiming for 2026-2027: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/r...2026/10570631/
ORQuote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
- points for overall clasification after Sunday ( like in the past, 20-15-12-10 etc)
- bonus points for Sunday ( 5-4-3-2-1)
- points for powerstage (5-4-3-2-1), with no confusion with saturday results!
For example : in case that Ogier lead after saturday ( only 3,3s sec different), even Thierry overall winner, only Sunday winner, and Power stage winner ,both had 27 points, with clear win of Neuville.
I´m afraid that will be case this season in sure!
For me, Sunday is so short that it is not necessary to give bonus points twice...Quote:
Originally Posted by ik1911
Especially if we take this year's Sardegna stages and distance vs points. Totally unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Fri + Sat = 227km = 18p
Sun = 39km = 12p
Why don't they just add up all the times on all of the rallies and the crew & manufacturer with the lowest total at the end of the season wins. You'd have to give some form of penalty time for stages missed after retirement but they do that already with SR times for those who miss parts of a day anyway, so that's nothing new. OK there might be some "whole rally cruising" at the end of the season if somebody is hours ahead but that kind of happens with points if somebody sews-up the championship with a few rounds to go. It would certainly keep everybody "on-it" at the beginning of the season if every stage second lost was lost from the championship total.
Unfair to who exactly? If some drivers started only fri+sat and some only on sun than it would be unfair...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
IT'S EQUAL TO EVERYONE
Hyundai will provide a i20 N more tailored to Ott Tanak in Sweden after the team’s new signing battled throttle mapping issues at the World Rally Championship season opener.
https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/h...eden/10571238/
"Hyundai team principal Cyril Abiteboul admitted he was concerned by the engine dramas his team suffered in Monte Carlo, but also believed Tanak’s driving style contributed to the 2019 world champion’s struggles in adapting to the i20 N."Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Many people have agreed that points system is way too complicated. One fun fact was that if someone is ending on the same points after Monte, who is starting first in Sweden? Previously it was based on previous rally position/points.. but now there are no more position points in general, so what, just based on general standings, standings that will not give you points? :)
I would repeat one solution, maybe easiest way again (Pluto, I know that promoter does not care, but it makes things more fun).
1. You give the points exactly the same like before. Same points on Sunday overall classification.
2. Sunday first 1-3 stages (depends on how many stages are before) run as qualification for Powerstage. The one who is leader before powerstage will run as last on the road. The others behind may select their starting positions based on Sunday results (best time chooses first, worst time chooses last). This selection can be done during this very long regroup and can be presented as proper show :)
Now everybody must push from morning till evening on Sunday
About tyre saving in Monte, most of the WRC crews started it in SS1, or even on SD :P
One more note. I know it it happening in ERC, but now I have seen in WRC - in fact nobody is interested who is winner of powerstage. On final podium after powerstage they are always presenting mainly top three of the event. Thus they need to start in last stage in reverse order of general classification - to have winner of the rally as the last car on the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
And to your question regarding who will start first, no matter the stupid points system, if there are drivers with same amount of points, better is still driver who finished whole rally on better position. So at least some small reward for being good in final results...
Serderidis is back in Puma in Safari rally.
Posted on his facebook
On first read that would actually be clever without messing around too much with paralel standings and strange points. I'm not so sure about choosing the start position, also I'm not sure what would happen on tarmac rallies (maybe starting first is better if the road gets dirty) or if it rains.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Yes, I was thinking about it. This adds additional unknown factor here :) is it going to rain? is it going to rain later, maybe too late? are we ready to gamble? And in most cases, last driver to drive will be also event winner, like Pluto wanted to have it on the podium ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Not me, this cames from promoter/FIA side. I never liked the scheme of powerstage, which destroyed whole Sunday on WRC races. I understand it is good for promotion, but that is all. When they brought it to ERC, I was really surprised they were not celebrating winner of powerstage on the events. On most of the ERC events, winner of power stage is almost not mentioned, he doesnt receive any cup or prize. Nothing, only points...Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
I was reading some Italian reports about a test rally to be held in Paraguay, which will be observed by FIA and WRC Promoter, in order to be added to the 2025 calendar. Any news about that?
20th September
https://www.versus.com.py/hoy/2024/0...cia-en-itapua/
It looks like something is going on over the pond, since selling early-morning TV coverage is not really breaking into the American market. Having more events at "their" timezones would drastically improve this aspect. But at the same time it would force some events in Europe to be dropped. I'm just thinking about one between Croatia-Poland-Latvia, which can be all of them in case Mexico will be able to get back to the WRC and US rally in Tennessee will go forward.
I think there will be a snow rally in Quebec before anything in the US no matter how much money Chattanooga is going to provide. There's no event to form a basis for a WRC event in Tennessee. The Canadian series doesn't have as much publicity but it's got more money and good organization. The CBC also produces and broadcasts events.
Hopefully Ireland will pull it off, however, Saudi Arabia looks also to be in the cards for next year: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/the-c...usion-in-2025/
Also Paraguay as some rumors have been floating around last week.
Two South American rounds planned. Meanwhile they’re busy dropping North America off this year’s calendar for no good reason…
���� PARAGUAY ➡️ WRC 2025
Paraguay will host a WRC event from 2025. Organizers have reached a three-year agreement to have a slot on the calendar until 2027.
The organizers have reached an economic agreement but the final details are missing to finalize:
•FIA emissaries will be sent to Paraguay to attend two races (one of which is the Trans Itapua Rally) which will be a “test” for the organizers in preparation for a WRC event.
•The FIA is conducting inspections to verify whether the healthcare and hotel capacities of the territories that will host the WRC race are sufficient.
The race proposed to the FIA is made up of 320 kilometers of special stages, will take place in Encarnación and will also take place in the areas of Cambyretá, Nueva Alborada, Santísima Trinidad, Colonias Unidas, Carmen del Paraná and General Arigas.
The Paraguayan event is expected to take the slot of the Rally Chile whose contract is due to expire at the end of the 2024 season.
https://www.facebook.com/wrctvitaly
What about such itinerary? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Managarium
https://www.ewrc-results.com/timetab...versario-2022/
Transchaco is a Safari-like rally, many Kms, rough, cars with snorkels and bumper protections... Trans Itapua is a more "regular" rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by jcevc
I know, just dreaming about not so `ordinary WRC round´... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Arguably the best news for Tänak was the feeling for the future.
“For myself,” he said, “I still need to make it work – but at least I see it’s not too far away. It’s more things we need to prepare better for [the next Tarmac event in] Croatia and for sure it was a good experience this weekend to do the mileage and understand the car.
“The car is definitely competitive. We will still have quite a few topics to discuss where I’d like to believe we can still improve quite a bit, but altogether I guess already, as a base, the job they’ve done last year is good. The car has been fine-tuned and it’s in a good window.”
The job Tänak has now is to clean that window to make it more useable, to make the car faster and faster. Being in the set-up ballpark is great, but those final details and percentages are where the stage wins, rally wins and championship wins come from.
He knows that. “If you are in a better window and more confident, you can start pushing a bit as well.”
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-t...-tricky-monte/
And no sooner so I say the Tennessee event is fiction when a demonstration event is announced for June...
that Qatar Rally always get some attention and international entries... Cant WRC add it to the schedule?
Seems they’re more keen about Saudi Arabia…Quote:
Originally Posted by lmmjvss
How to screw your driver and show that he doesn't matter a cent.
Sad for Evans as he has to fight for the title against own team's ,,half-ass-seasoners''.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/shoul...to-help-evans/
Latvala:
Even if it so, then just don't say it out loud. Can't imagine how demotivating it is for Evans..Quote:
''We have only Elfyn who can really go for the title, but we believe in a fair game and we want to have a fair fight between the drivers, so we don’t do any tactical changes.”
“The manufacturers’ championship, if you think about our driver line-up, we would have chances for that. It’s where I think we can really challenge. But going for the drivers’ title, the thing is that Elfyn has to be alone.”
Ofc telling Kalle or Ogier to give away 1st place isn't a thing as that is the only reaaon they drive this year. Although this would also be a thing on let's say.. last 2 event or so.
Or maybe what he says out loud is to appease fans who can't tolerate team orders.