It's weak management....Strong management would take the correct action and not worry about upsetting drivers. All successful teams in motorsport will have to make these decisions occasionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
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It's weak management....Strong management would take the correct action and not worry about upsetting drivers. All successful teams in motorsport will have to make these decisions occasionally.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
Okay, the Powestage made the whole Hyundai beef even more stupid.
Neuville was allowed to win and take valuable 7 points from Tänak, then decided to crawl through PS and get 0 points from there. Absolutely idiotic waste of points.
still the point is which is the "correct action"...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
it's really what tanak declared: driver championship vs team other interest (manu's champ, pr, brand identity)
and hiunday clearly - and historically - is on the team over drivers side.
It wouldn’t have made any difference in team points if they would have swapped and also PR WISEQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Still 1-2-3
Exactly, who would’ve thought back in Kenya that Hyundai would get a 1-2-3 in one of the tougher Acropolis’ rally, huge congrats to them & to all podium finishers.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Probably didn't want to risk it and it's drama anyways either it's unhappy Tänak or Neuville and all that aside Thierry deserved it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Let's face it, it wasn't a great decision from Hyundai.With those 7 points you get the gap down to 45. Tanak only then needs to take 20 points off Rovanpera to put the pressure on the Finn for Japan. Regardless, from a team POV it changes nothing. Loubet and Breen salvaged something out of another catastrophe for Ford. A rally to forget for Toyota, eased off by Rovanpera saving some points in the PS. Special mention for Tsouloftas who made it Top 10 overall and 3rd in WRC2 in the old Polo.
exactly. it's the same also if u turn it around. if it's the same, why do it? it's already good without messing whit team order (never good for pr).Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Tänak Ott - Järveoja Martin
"If you want to fight for a championship, the decision to have no team orders was wrong. If you want to have good PR, it's a good decision"
So, even additional tyre change before PS does not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dontcut
Because to put pressure to Toyota and Kalle and still have a chance for the titleQuote:
Originally Posted by wyler
But it is what it is. It’s over and done now
If you look into start list to Leg 3, there is no chance. First WRC3 Junior crews starts 1:40 after first cars, so no chance to move them forward in 40 min regrouping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
I still find it odd that Neuville didn't go for some points on the powerstage, if the manufacturers title is so important you'd expect the team to do everything to get the maximum amount of points, especially when Toyota has had such a torrid run.
The only professional team is toyota... Hyundai are idiots. Sabotaging thier only hope at a championship... And ford has an errand boy as team manager.
Overal the rally was great...
honestly, i would agree with less point distance, 7 out of 50ish is not that change in pressure to me. toyota has to do multiple total suicides to concede one of the championships. i can't see another greece for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
but you're right! done and dusted. let's head to the kiwis!
Sum this all up and you get the following:
Tanak will be in Ford next season and Hyundai doesn't want him to be a raigning World Champion in there.
Of course Neuville will continue at Hyandai so they want him to feel the love of the team.
If that isn't the case then this was the worst team order ever. Because it will help Kalle the most.
Edit: Makes even more sence if Tanak already have signed with Ford.
to me he was scared. belgium still burning, and pressure from tanak also. imagine if it had binned again fighting...Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
raigning champ?? i really couldn't see kalle lose this title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mise
What a turn around from the "finnish village team", some older members will remember well...Quote:
Originally Posted by NOT
Of course you don't. Hyundai made sure it won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
But the fat lady hasn't sing yet and Hyundai has a big momentum and
all the pressure is at Kalle. And he is still very young.
Then we'd see Loubet on the podium and he would've completed his circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
Didnt you hear? Main target was 1-2-3 then all comes after. Village teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
You mean PR, pardon, good PR ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Well yeah, 1-2-3 is an excellent PR.
Is it too early to say that the tide is shifting?
Heroic unhuman effort by Tänak in Finland, Kalle's crash in Ypres, Toyota's falling to pieces in here or is Hyundai now equal or Even better overall?
I'd do team orders but did you actually notice that Latvala said he would not?
(They didn't in Sweden 2020).
Would Toyota management be called all sorts of things then?
And no mention about Evans' torrid run in here, I mean sure, it wasn't his fault having that failure this morning but pace wise even Sordo managed to overtake him for third.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
Lappi showed some flashes of speed but overall Toyota's were slow indeed.
Tänak been too loud during the season and now team had their payback? If you don't play ball we don't. In the same time, Hyundai has started to perform so maybe all that criticism have not been for nothing.
Toyotas had new dampers here, thats why they were slow. Dirtfish published a pic of Kalles quote of it (where he confirmed this and said he didnt have a feeling on the test already) but now they have removed this, at least i couldnt find it anymore
That's slightly different; that was the second event of the season, which is far too early for teams orders. We're now at the business end of the season.....Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
anybody got some live pictures from the finish for jwrc podium?
And Virves is JWRC champion!
amazinngggggg. he has really made an big step forward this year with speed and also stabiity
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcX7QDLX...jpg&name=large
Also Tsouloftas gained 3 rd position at power stage from Brynildsen
Great 1-2-3 result for Hyundai. I think so far it's safe to say that the car is more robust compared to the old one in terms of suspensions that don't randomly fall off anymore... interesting to see they seem also to have less gremlins than the disastrous beginning of the year, but if I recall correctly Tanak said they did nothing about them?
I understand both Neuville and Tanak's points of view, but honestly no matter what they do, no way Kalle is losing the championship. If it was a small gap, then not issuing team orders would have been very wrong.
No, golden boy Tänak was not involved back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
You could bet Ott would do everything had the gap been reduced to 44 points, sure he’ll still go for it in New-Zealand, less road cleaning than here in Greece. Now though, Kalle needs just to outscore Ott by 8 points in NZ.
Estonian media reportin that Kalle and Thierry were 8 and 12 minutes late to the last control point but so far no penalties yet, they dont know if the rules are there different or not
My pictures from the event.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=...75393962621605
True, but Latvala said in an interview today (or yesterday?) that he wouldn't do teamordets if he was boss at Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
So if Tanak doesn't like it, the situation won't be better at Toyota.
Malcolm would without a doubt do teamorders.
People forget Kim (not Noh) assumed the team principal roll and Moncet is his deputy team principal. It's not unusual request even if it was 'Korea' minded and not sporting. Why Dirtfish insist calling Moncet deputy director, I just don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli