Ypres has an agreement with the promotor to be the next year and year after to be in the ERC championship and then eventually again on the WRC Calendar.
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Think Sal is referring to Ree being moved to another spot on SS8 and the picture got blown up with "confiscated" online. When it wasn't exactly like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Integrale
Tho there seem to be plenty of photographers who weren't happy on Friday.
I think we can rate Oliver's performance only through Friday. He made the fastest RC2 time on SS7 and didn't set a foot wrong, which is decent, but not enough for being one of the best drivers of the rally. By SS6 he was fifth in RC2, 25 seconds behind Suninen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Meanwhile, Rossel did an amazing job in RC2, winning the class on his first start in the event.
From what I've gathered from this forum, Gino Bux got 30 minutes of penalty for having his Alpine 7 Kg lighter... Ogier had his Yaris 1 Kg lighter and no penalty whatsoever because he's Ogier? Is this confirmed?
We had only one encounter with Michèle. No walking on the stage 30 minutes before the start. I'm always very compliant because it goes quicker that way. Once Michèle is gone, in your case over the bridge, it's back to plan A. There are 10-15 minutes left after she's gone. It's quite a silly job if you ask me. I hope you didn't actually leave the stage!Quote:
Originally Posted by MentalParadox
Marshalls and police were okay around us. Marshalls are volunteers and there's a lot of difference in their judgment and form of authority. Today on the parts of the real stages around Spa we could do whatever we wanted. Yesterday we had some Dutch marshalls who forbade people crossing the road to go to their car to get to the next stage. Police came to get the identities of those who did. Ridiculous. Marshalls and police tend to get crazy if there are many spectators, they feel challenged and/or something just happened (Katsuta's crash in this case). There were police officers from far away with no experience with rally. I translated something for an officer because she couldn't speak French (ridiculous as well), and after that they hung around and made some cellphone videos. :) Most marshalls were very okay.
So yeah, you win some, you lose some. But if the organisation tells you that you can stand anywhere on the stage at 10 metres (except the forbidden zones), then you're entitled to do that. Yes sir, yes ma'am, but after you're gone, I'm doing what I want. Of course I've seen spectators in very stupid spots as well.
Jaanus Ree on FB about the situation:
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Although there were many rumors about my gear taken by the police they were just rumors.
What really happened was that near me there were some spectators in the dangerous place and police got a call from the copter that they needed to clear up the whole area. They did not care that I was doing my job and I was acting by the given rules staying 10 meters away from the road and in a safe place behind one of the biggest trees I have ever seen. They "helped" me to take my gear to 20 meters away, sadly also forced me to take down remotes. Police were doing their job, fulfilling their orders. I respect their job and understand why they did everything. Thanks to their quick action, the stage was not cancelled. What is unfortunate is that they were not aware of what I was doing there and were confusing me with a spectator despite my tabard and media pass.
https://youtu.be/tDsqZAD5LKc
Beautiful
The only source of Ogiers overweight that I saw was here. Might also be that Toyota requested check on another instrument and on that one it was within limits.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
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Solberg stayed out of self-induced trouble (finally). But one good stage and staying out of trouble while being slower than 2 other WRC2 and multiple RC2 cars is certainly not enough to call him man of the rally.
RC2 man of the rally was Rossel, no doubt.
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On another note I was trying to find Breens moment on first Sunday stage. But there is no onboard and it's not shown on Sunday highlights.
Were his cameras broken? They were flickering on Saturday evening and I don't think we saw anything on All Live today?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
True.. maybe they were so broken onboards didn't work either.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Places are nice...but the spectators right on the outsides of kicking 150+kph corners are surely immortal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Integrale
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Originally Posted by mousti
Just like you said: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ypres...c-return-plan/
So not in the WRC until 2024 at the very least. Hopefully the world will be more of an open place without Covid, fingers crossed!
I left the stage, as she ordered, and positioned myself in a nearby field with plenty of other people. Seconds later after Michèle left, hordes of other spectators went back on the stage in the direction I wanted to go. Damn me for being so obedient...Quote:
Originally Posted by Integrale
"I translated something for an officer because she couldn't speak French (ridiculous as well)..."
Why ridiculous? Ypres is in Flander and people in Flanders speak Dutch. The only cops who need to speak French in that area are the French cops across the border in Westouter-Boeschepe. I saw that Katsuta crash happen on the horizon, by the way. We were about a K up the stage from that point. The ambulance drove by us and it got me pretty worried for Taka.
"Yesterday we had some Dutch marshalls who forbade people crossing the road to go to their car to get to the next stage. Police came to get the identities of those who did. Ridiculous."
I assume Flemish marshalls, because I don't see why there'd be Dutch cops in Belgium, the Netherlands being quite far away. Yeah, the field I was forced to stay in was separated from my car by the stage... Two cops showed up and started booking people who tried to cross the road. I needed to move on to the next stage (well, noon service in Ypres) so I had no choice but to wait until they were distracted, jump across and hide in a corn field until I was sure they stopped chasing... Quite the adventure, rallying...
Am i the only one finding Oliver's end of stage boring and dull? He always says the things people want to hear, with no personality in my opinion... he has clearly been taught well for PR purposes.
From me a few alternative comments about this rally.
I've participated as codriver. We where 38th overall after day 1 and 2nd in RC5 with our Clio Rally5. Unfortunately we retired saturday morning with a broken driveshaft. We restarted on Sunday to collect a few points in the clio trophy for our championship but finished last but one overall.
1) Katsuta crash: there is a bump in the road just before the fast left hander. It developped in the last year or so, wasn't there before. In a local rally 2 months ago, few drivers crashed there as well, although it was in the other direction
2) Fourmaux crash: there was dirt on the road in that corner. There was a field "exit" just at corner entry. There was nothing before the corner, just in the corner. I even read the farmer crossed the road to go to another field 100m further between the RNC and first car, but not sure that's true. For sure, it wasn't there during recce.
3) Stages being all the same isn't actually true. The surface in Reninge is completely different than other stages, Watou is very bumpy, Zonnebeke has very slippery tarmac, Dikkebus a lot of gravel. Maybe it's not so apparent when watching WRC live, but driving the stages, you feel the different nature of stages.
4) Tsjoen crash: quite a bit of controverse in local news, about hitting that garage (not their house fortunately). But there was also a public chat between the owner and Pieter Tsjoen. Basically she says "shit happens" and thanks the police, organizers etc for the help she got. And she is glad nobody got seriously hurt. Pieter Tsjoen replied with an apology, praizes her understanding and says he will pay if there are any problems with insurance (which shouldn't be the case).
Very nice to see it can also be solved like that. There are no winners in such a crash.
5) Bedoret was just heartbroken. He broke the central driveshaft on the first day on sunday, having to continue with FWD. He and his codriver where litteraly crying in parc fermé. I had to do with them, motorsport can be so hard.
Remember MSport having thinner rearwindow on their Focus? Not even penalty. Excluded. Remember?Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Thanks dupanton for the excellent report and congrats on completing the event (albeit in Super Rally)
Watou bumpiness was clearly apparent from an old onboard video. Also we could add into this list the cobble stones on Kemmelberg (and the beginning of Mesen - Middelhoek). Zonnebeke is mostly a bit wider, and also some wide sections in Kemmelberg. Reninge is very flat, Westouer and Kemmelberg have some more hills.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
I would say it's difficult to characterize the stages because they all mix so different roads and sections, and so many of them. You can only try to say which element the stage has more than some other element, or which element is not present on other stages. In most rallies you can usually say this stage is fast and this is technical, or this is 10 km fast and then 5 km technical, but not in Ypres, it changes at least every kilometre...
Huttunen's sparse comments were interesting...Hyundai has a lot of work to do with the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
But there's also improvements.Quote:
Q
Jari, looking back to this week, how do you feel about this rally and your WRC2 win here?
JH
Not in every stage but in most stages I had some problems. I am so lucky that I am here.
Q
Your teammate experienced similar issues yesterday, were you able to affect any fixes or was it a case of muscling your way through?
JH
It is difficult to drive but the fault is not so big. It is a small fault. When you don’t have any oil in the system, it is hard to drive.
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Q
Jari, how do you compare the new Hyundai Rally2 to the old Hyundai R5?
JH
I think it is a big step with everything working well. Particularly with the handling side. Now we are in the window. I think the gap is big.
You can rate people by other than speed (which we know Oliver has oc).Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Man of the rally can be any strong performance or doing.
Oliver drove 85K without power steering. That´s what I valued most...
so the two champs, Ogier and Tänak, were the only ones who had puncture?
And Ogier had two.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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Loubet before his off.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
And of course he lost like what - 15 seconds to 2 punctures? Only Ogier...man.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Was it only a rumor, or has there been an official statement ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I think this was the source. According to a contributor to Rallylovers, Ogiers car had to be weighed three times. They would give an update but I haven't seen anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredouye
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00044431746415
Some of my photos!
We just went Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
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More at: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...87857062306052 !
Katsuta crash: https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/vi...-ypres-rally/?
A LOT of lucky people there.
including the filming guy itself!
No kidding!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MartijnS
Could have been 10ish fatalities.
Combined with all the other videos of people standing on the outside of flat out corners it just confirms some of the vids from last years.
Don't see the rally back to WRC anytime soon...
Simply stupid. It's beyond my understanding why you would put yourself and the entire sport at risk just to be 10 meters closer to the stage. It is like poland all over again, some countries just don't get it.
I think if it runs again they need to run it after the crops have been harvested, makes it much easier finding a safe and good spot even a bit away from the road
While that might indeed reduce the number of immortal people I don't have much hope of eliminating it completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
2-3 years ago I was commenting on this when watching Ypres with R5s without big crops. Dupanton said that it's always like that on Ypres for some reason (while other Belgian rallies are better).
Imagine if there were say 5 fatalities...
Toyota with their mentality (and money) and no R5 program, might just withdraw from WRC completely (while still paying salaries to the whole team for 2-3 years).
"Modern group B" would end (almost) just like old Group B.
Very, very lucky indeed! There has been good luck also earlier during the current World Rally Car era. It is hard to say, but these cars are just simply too fast! There are only current top 5 drivers who have enough skills to master them. Now it was Katsuta´s and Fourmaux´s turn to make a bad mistakes...
True! Almost sure that if there had been fatalities Toyota would have ended their WRC program immediately...
go figure...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Good result for Neuville who ties with Evans but still keeps his 3rd position so he will still have an average road position in Greece (I don’t know if it was the plan but good pick from Hyundai to have let Neuville 3rd in Estonia).
It could get closer from Ogier thanks to better road position in Greece and Finland.
Evans and Neuville are too far in any case. Ogier could just "cruise" for the last 4 rounds, he wouldn't get worse than 5th and a podium is always a good possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny0405
Only a DNF/Superrally by Ogier would re-open the championship, but even then, he would still have a good advantage.