there is no question.He is slow.Admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
slow compared with his championship rivals.Not with you and me,with Maurin and Nikara.
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there is no question.He is slow.Admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
slow compared with his championship rivals.Not with you and me,with Maurin and Nikara.
So what? Yes, slower than Ogier and some others, but for the moment only Ogier seem to matter, and he is not only problem for Ostberg, but for anyone else. Ostberg picks up what the other can't. Who is the winner and who are the loosers?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
If you expect of him to rech Ogier's level some day, will be dissapointed, he never will....
Fast and slow are not everything in rally. So we can say Ostberg is relatively slow but not that he is a bad driver. He is a very good driver, I would say one of the best. Last year was best non VW driver. No one can deny it. Rankings speak for themself, and he also skipped an event.
Said that I get critics toward him. But thhe point is not that he is "slow" the point is that he is a driver with no more to say to the championship. His learning curve is flat, he is happy and comfortable where he is. In a word, he is annoying, unless you are a fan of him since early days.
read again.If after you read again you understand the same,read again and again till you understand what i wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
a driver that he cant win a stage,not a rally,a single stage at his best surface after so many years at wrc ,is slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
he never will win a rally because he was fast.
Nobody said that he is not a good driver.We said that he is slow compared to his rivals.
And thats not something bad,plenty of such drivers for every era.
Tired about the bad ds3 he had to change his driving,tired for the excuses for the new co driver after 3 rallies with him,tired about so many excuses for years.
Are you just talking about this 2016 rally ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Mads won several stages in Mexico in the two seasons (2014 & 2015).
He may have been able to do so again but for having to drive for points with no team-mate back-up...
I did it in many posts, don't really get why is all the critics. The man is doing his job as well as he could and is in better position than faster drivers than him. If there is someone who deserves critics now is Neuville, total dissapoinment for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Ostberg may be "slow and annoying" to some but the facts are he is at the moment one of the best drivers in the WRC. I think it's wrong to blame him for being consistent but unspectacular, just as it's wrong to blame Ogier for being faster and less error prone than the rest. Blame the others who are not beating this "slow" driver on rallies or in the championship. I'm not a fan of Ostberg myself and I don't think he will ever be WDC but he is a solid 2nd driver who brings in points and doesn't wreck cars.
+1, for any team except VW there are no better options. I think we can put Ostberg and Sordo in the same category. Overall they lack a bit of speed to fight for the wins, but they're probably the most reliable drivers of the WRC field (apart from the Seb's) in the last 10 years. They crash maybe once per year and on other occasions they're always scoring championship points if there are no problems with the car.
El chocolate and other roads near Leon today. Can you believe it? http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/03...ebbc817a9d.jpg
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...99576674_o.jpg
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/03...c6c9d375a0.jpg
Take this with a pinch of salt. Source is not too much reliable... Maybe a confirmation would be better.
I partially agree with you but in his Citroen days he did win stages both on the snow and on gravel. Not as much as a champion, but we should consider it to judge him properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Ok you are right. I didn't get the point of the discussion. Agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
who said that ''he dont do his job well''?Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
read again and again and again what i wrote,till you understant.
its not about blaming any driver.Its about talking at a forum and showing the facts.And the facts are that he is slow.He cant win any event at a straight fight,even a stage when others are in fight.Even at his country rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Mads won stages when others are not pushing.He cant win stage at straight fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Mads is nothing, he stopped developing years ago, why you are arguing about a nobody ?
why then You believe he is doing excuses all the time. Excuse would be needed if he fights with Ogier. He doesn't do this, because he knows he can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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ask him why he mention about the new co-driver after 3 rallies.Not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Dimitri, you use wrong word. Not that I´m an expert in english, but word "slow" doesn´t suit. If you say he isn´t fast enough to be WDC I´d agree. He is not fast enough compared to maybe 2-3 faster guys. But slow.no. Wrong choice of expression for the driver currently in 2nd position in WDC.
Yeah I see Sordo in the same category as well in general, except he is pretty good on tarmac.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Sure but I mean the problem is there are few better drivers. If we had more drivers who are fast and can finish a rally maybe Ostberg would not be in a works team anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It is true. You will clearly see the situation with Ostberg on Rally Canarian Isles this weekend (I am sure you will see it) ...2nd league drivers in WRC are still one league above best drivers in ERC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
Yeah that's an important word "enough"..."WE" as a culture have---since Inter-net forums came around---tend to talk more and more extreme..."That guy is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo amazingly FAST!":eek:
"And that guy so so slooooooooooooooooooow, herregud!"
"That babe is so HOT!!!!!!" and "OMG! arf! arf! wot a DOG!"
No subtlety...I mock it often in the way I spell and stretch out and make fonts bigger...I do it because its hard to take seriously when somebody says somebody 0,1 or 0,2 s/km off the best man in the world is SLOW.
(Kinda funny, many years ago I had conversation with the most beautiful girl---from Ekerö--outside Stockholm---and she said she had talked to a Professor who said the reason the English speaking peoples were nuts is because there did not exsist in English the equivalent for the (swedish) word 'nog'.. I said "Tell proff he's full of (hot air) (not really)...The workd "enough" and the word nog are the same thing..or at one time were the same thing...never got into her pants after that..the prof was her dad!!)
Enough then this silly talk about slow Mads..
I won't say Ben Klock is slow....just not fast enough---for the car he buys---to gain any respect.
ill never undertand what you're talking about, lol
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Originally Posted by EstWRC
Don't worry. It makes perfect sense..:arrows:
All true, except Ken is still the fastest shoe seller on earth is he not?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
The fact people are talking about him proves the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Your view is just the opinion of a nobody.
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Originally Posted by Nornbugger
No he cashed out maybe 12 years ago and as far as I know only has some nameplate, no day to day connection..
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On March 8, 2004, DC Shoes was acquired by Quiksilver in an US$87 million transaction.[4][5] In 2010, DC Shoes moved from Vista, California, to Quiksilver's headquarters in Huntington Beach.[6] The Huntington Beach location is closed down
Quicksilver:
http://www.quiksilverinc.com/History/History-of-Firsts
Major Acquisitions
Having globalized the company through acquisition of its licensees, Quiksilver became the first boardriding company to focus on acquiring major, likeminded brands, such as DC Shoes in 2003 and Rossignol in 2005, with a view to building a family of brands covering the outdoor sector.
In that respect he has lots of experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Ok, Neuville is far to impress, but I don’t get why Penasse is always ready to publicly criticize his top driver…is he just trying to make people forget that the new car isn’t able to match the Polo?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
ok, im gonna jump on the bandwagon here :p ...how do you know it isnt as fast as Polo?
I know, you know, everybody knows...;)
Does anyone seen the monster stage onboard on WRC+..?
Polo is developed 4+ years, this one less than year.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Because he is not the top driver - they are all treated equally. What Penasse says is 100% correct. First mistake fine, he was pushing. Second mistake why? You watch the onboard and he was going crazy fast - too fast. The team should understandably be annoyed at him as they want points not him winning stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I think Mr Neuville is extremely arrogant, the public statements I think are the tip of the iceberg of how the team feel about him I think. You read Paddons twitter answers to questions like "do you spend time with your team mates" or "whats it like having experienced team mates to learn from". His answers always say, Dani is awesome, very friendly and has helped him a lot. He never mentions Neuville.
Maybe all 3 Hyundai’s drivers are now treated the same way, but Neuville still is the most designated driver for manu points. His first driver status was clear in ’14 and even during ’15, despite his Wales step back. He was also the best ranked Hyundai driver and is, probably, the best paid one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grundo Farb
He may look a bit lost or arrogant, but his amazing driving skills didn’t disappear. It’s not clear what made Neuville apparently less focused or motivated, but it’s hard to believe that Penasse comments to the press (even if accurate) will have a positive effect on the Belgium.
Sordo is the nominated driver this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
The feeling I have is that Neuville does not understand that it is the Manufacturers Championship that is the priority for Hyundai, not the Drivers championship, that is the bonus issue. The second thing is that last year he bagged the car in public, that is something you never do with an Asian manufacturer, loyalty is number one. They pay back loyalty big time and cut adrift those who are not loyal back to them.
It was nice while it lasted, but no repeat ..
Rally Mexico will drop ITS 50-mile stage WRC for 2017
I'd prefer to see "endurance" as being long days (with lots of hours an lots of SS kms), rather than just a long stage. As they say in the article, there's no real added value.
The accountant (WRC Promoter) has spoken.Quote:
Originally Posted by rayh_mx
I think Neuville will continue these kind of appearances.I think he is overestimated.Over all what he's done as driver until now?just a good half year some years ago with ford and some scarce good appearances with hyundai.Some will blame the car but i don't think this is the reason.Paddon with the <same> car with less testing performed relatively better if we take in mind his lack of experience.My question is what chances abbring will take??????????????
Neuville was pretty good in 2011 IRC, and had he stayed with Citroën beyond 2012, I think he could be in a better place now. I thought him going to Hyundai was a career suicide (though at first I thought the team won't be up to par, not the driver), and sadly it seems I was right, but I really hope that he can turn this around, and not just for his, but for the championship's sake too.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos