Citroen Racing day 3 report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6rutdijMjs
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Citroen Racing day 3 report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6rutdijMjs
Sorry for offtopic but I have a question...
Did a WRC2014 spec car have an ABS? (I know that modern WRC have, old one(C4,Xsara) - no)
a) If yes - how explain 4 wheels lock-up for Mikkelsen in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eytDhBFtJ0 ?
b) if no - how explain characteristic sound from ABS 1:34 from this video http://youtu.be/g9rzJkbQCtU?t=1m34s ?
ABS in WRCs? I heavily doubt that... Almost 100% can say that no ABS in them. IMHO the sound at 1:34 comes always in unusually tight brakings when the engine is in danger to suffocate...
Small quiz - who was more risky here?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I think a driving style. He too much wobble a car (finding grip limit?) and at right corner he find him. Why not drive smooth?Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
Evans with scared eyes drive more smoothly than Kubica
No electronic ABS for sure. The sound from Citroen is probably from the diff, he had some problems with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
no ABS in WRC cars
Hm , I ask myself few years ago this question and found in internet that 97'-10' WRC doesn't have and 11'- cars have it. But now look to FIA reg. and...Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
:rolleyes:Quote:
Any electronic driving aid system is prohibited (ABS / ASR /
is prohibited (ABS / ASR / EPS...)
Poor Kubica & his fans. BTW looks a lot like MC exit.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
this noise is from drivetrain when blocking the wheels with brakes with some gear engaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
No abs at wrc cars,impossible to brake at loose surfaces and bumpy roads(gravel/mud/snow/wet tarmac etc)
I've been watching through the onboard material in WRC+ and there are some really fast sections in this rally... During the 18 stages of the rally Latvala had average speed higher than 120kph in seven (7) stages. Fastest avg was 125,1kph (on SS9). These averages with quite many chicanes and/or junction go-arounds + the "plastic traffic sign sticks", so in reality some section averages would be really high.
I'm not saying it's too fast, but at some sections it is quite crazy, to be honest. I tend to like a bit more twisty and technical tarmac roads. Or atleast less straights on stages, SS10 had a nice small road section, but even there were quite many long straights (over 150m).
Thanks to all for explanation of WRC noises :)
PS Mikko looks very fast, why time so bad ....
He always looks fast and his times are bad, I have no idea how he is doing it:DQuote:
Originally Posted by KKS
b: noise is from transmission housing when you brake on limit of grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
the hyundai seems to lift its rear wheels a lot in corners. perhaps thats why they were so slow here.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Or maybe Hyundai was quite slow because of the high speeds? Sordo admitted they need more from the engine. In Germany there were more twisty, narrow, slow sections witout much top speed, unlike in France.
Yes, could be the reason. Neuville and Bouffier were struggling to find more proper "softer" setup. Jumping around is not very good to find grip with so fast roads.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I noted driving difference(assuming they carry the same speed before that corner): evans made a flash braking in the last left corner instead robert seemed flat-outQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I give my personal interpretation: maybe it's due to his circuit's backgroundQuote:
Originally Posted by KKS
he tends to brake very very late and then slam the car into the corner...sometimes the car is still non balanced (when he is still in the corner) and he is already flat-out...an approach typical as he has downforce from the car...an area where wrc lacks vs circuit's racing cars
I noted this tendency also in the pre-france tests...so seems this "hard" setup was ok for the drivers...but against competitors in the race (the stage time) they were complaining about that...softer setup was faster (ie more grip on the exit corner and so carrying more speed on straight...my interpretation.. it wasn't a power problem deficit vs vw but less grip)Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
That is fair assessment. But not only the lack of downforce is the problem with such approach. Often the corners are damp and/or there is dirt on them, this leads front wheels to lose direction and the whole car slides off. That is one risk factor. The other is when flat out with such approach he creates another out of the corner. How difficult it can be? I don't think it is his disability that causes it, just the car is driven as in f1.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
0 crash and the moments after http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJK0AhLfxZQ.
Even the driver of the 0 car instead of warning Ogier she stays beside the car holding the plate.
Well, that was well organised.... Le Cop seemed to know what he was doing.....not.
A big congrat to JML winning on asphalt and learned the lesson! He´s a complete driver as said and will challenge Ogier next year!
Talking about complete drivers I think we must mention Pontus Tidemand who really can put complete surfaces driver on his CV. Snow, gravel or tarmac doesn´t matter for him. Any other upcomer showing those skills atm?
All running around like crazy chickens *facepalm*
Some time a go somebody told me that Armin Schwarz was using ABS in Fabia WRC for wet asphalt conditions. I think I heard that also Seat Cordoba WRC had ABS but I guess that it wasn't used a lot...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
I've said before, the FIA need to get serious about the way in which WRC events are marshalled with a specification of how many TRAINED (with a min spec for that) marshals per km (or whatever criterion is appropriate) should be available.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
We've seen the hired security fiasco in Germany and now this with les flics in France. The gendarmes are not happy or oriented towards a marshalling role, only being there for crowd control, and the local marshals I've seen in France in the past year treat their role as a perk of being in a local car club in getting the best vantage points regardless of run-off zone. At least they aren't as bad as the Spanish marshals who use a whistle like traffic cops to tell spectators they can't walk on the course - 2 hours before the 0 car! We may not be perfect in GB but we are streets ahead of every country I've ever spectated in.
I know of one certainly, he is Dutch and his name is Kevin Abbring!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Also, it's pretty easy to blame the cops but they are specifically told to not let anyone on the road whatever the problem is. If something happens to any spectator the cops in the area will be held responsible for that.
What drives me crazy in this video is the driver of the 0 car, she runs around like a chicken not doing anything. Plus when Ogier is aproaching she stands in front of the crashed DS3 signaling Ogier as his way past the danger.
Exactement mon brave! The use of police on rally stages with a limited remit will always end in situations like this. Imagine how much worse it would be in China, say!Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis44
Wasn't the best place for the two cops to stand when the car mounted the bank. Freeze at 0.03. One just stands there with arms folded and looks away and then walks away before the other does something. The two standing with a marshall (!) in the run off area, of the junction isn't too healthy either.
Hey, I know it's easy to criticize but they really should've been advised on the dangers of motorsport. Perhaps they didn't listen to the marshalls. Standing on the outside of corners or in the escape road isn't good.
Edit- the guy in the blue shirt at 1.00 seems to know what to do but don't think anybody is listening to him.
Trust me Noel, the marshals in France do not tell the Police what to do, even if it's for their own good! The Police will tell everybody else what to do, even when out of their depth!
To be quite true.. I was very dissapointed by his showing in France. I was expecting more after the Germany. Crashing and taking only one RC2 stage win is nothing too special. On the other hand Abbring lived up my expectation. One year in France and good experience with 208 was well used over the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
The marshals and especially from the drivers were very slow to react ... they must know better what to do in these situations.
Also why is Ogier coming just 4 minute after the 0 car. Usually it is more like 10-15minutes before first car...
Another negatives from the organisers was not allowing the rally radio and tv people at the end of stage for interviews, not the usual end of stage celebrations at the end of Power Stage, the pointless SSS with no visible spectators. Generally the least exciting of rallies to watch, both video and photos. Time for a change of location I IMO... but then money talks...
In my opinion it was more like active diffs working to prevent locking wheels rather than "typical" ABS system, which needs different master cylinders, etc, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Judging from latest event having a win in Germany is quite poor I think. He was in the topp three matching tarmac specialists when he cut too much. Can happen to everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Abbring though is very fast, but how is he performing on snow/ice? I have not slightest idea about that. You tell me.
Can't help but think of the contrast with the fans--and crews---in Sweden aand especvially Finland---they seem to have the cars flapped back over before the crews realise they flipped! I've seen people start running when theres still things likedirt, rocks, trees, the car churned up falling back to earth.!Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
They're running--and cheering!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Isn't that last bit superfluous?
I don't know, but does that really matter? There's only 1 event with such conditions in WRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper