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Quit the bitch slapping and just watch the stage will you :p
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Hyundai drive train needs a lot of work
what is that cliking sound on the livestream?
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Originally Posted by Langdale Forest
I have turned it off
One more boring victory. The man from outer space should participate in Universal Rally Championship instead of WRC....
another win, another power stage win, as the season will progress he will clinch the title in australia as it seems for now
Congrats to all drivers finishing, but especially to Mads and Mikko, doing a great job in the shadow of the new master.
Is it just mine impression, or Evans actually raised his pace after 1st day's disaster?
Congrats to the Winner of course, he is just collecting to fruits of his tallent and hard work without much troubles. The troubles other drivers are making themselves sometimes.
If you want to believe modern science regarding what it takes to be a master of your field it states that you have to practice (with the correct practice) for at least 10.000 hours, wich is the same as 20 hours a week during a period of 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by litifeta
If you take the different aspects of rallying in account and do a simple categorisation, you will end up with something like this:
1) Driving technique
2) Pace notes
3) Startegy/risk management
4) Car set up
If you want to be a master of all these fields it would take about 40.000 hours, or 40 hours a week for 20 years. And all the practise has to be the correct practice.
This is almost impossible, and this again underlines that every driver has more potential, even Loeb, ans especially Ogier.
To put it this way, what would have the best effect speeding up Jari Matti Latvala:
1) Give him more belief in him self?
2) Give him more currage?
3) Give him more comitment?
4) Give him more enthusiasm?
5) Or give him more understanding/knowledge/competence in the four fields of driving technique, pace notes, startegy/risk management and car set up?
Ogier and VW are playing with all the other contenders. It s just like Mercedes F1 now. Were all other drivers/teams needs to take very high risk and go to full 100% to even be close to VW. At VW the drivers can go 90% and still be faster then anybody else. You need to stay on the road of course. Ogier can win every rally, driving on 90%. Ford, Citroen and Hyundai needs much better cars and drivers who can stay on the road!
To stefanvv:
I think that Evans comment on stage end of the power stage answers that. He said that the he in first part of the stage moved the car around to much, and that he drove better in the second part.
Important notices about this comment:
1) He reflects on his own inputs in the car, not the set up, tires etc. This is the correct attitude, and the only way to get faster.
- Your job as a driver is to improve your selvf.
- The job of improving the car is the responsability of the engineer.
2) He has an understanding that the car should not "move about" more than nessecary. The drivers are playing with a mass of about 1300 kg. It is a wise tought to move this heavy item in the optimal direction for the optimal amount of time. Every time this mass is heading in an unwanted direction you have to use energy to correct it. This will slow down the speed in the direction of travel, and will also lead to excessive component wear, including of course the tires.
To answer your question: Yes, Evans is picking up speed, and he is doing it beqause of all the right reasons. But he still has A LOT to learn.
You should put rally drivers on a race track and learn how to drive clean. Slides costs time. Wheelspin costs time. Only slide when it s necessary to keep the nose in.
8! With @SebOgier’s win @rallydeportugal, #Volkswagen equal a #Citroën record with 8 #WRC victories in a row. #proud #PoloRWRC
I think VW will do at least twice of this, what do you think?
Ogier and VW are not playing with the other contenders. Ogier is, regardless of wich car he is in. If you take Ogier out of VW, VW is left wanting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdvEvo
And no, rallydrivers can not drive like the "classic" racing driver, beqause they have to have risk management as a much higher priority. The latest rule changes regarding tires/downforce etc etc, has actually forced racing drivers to drive more like Loeb (Nose End First)
Race car driving is changing in the direction away from the classic "smooth line drivers" like Jenson Button, towards the Nose End First driving style.
In Formula 1/racing they call it "straight line driving", and "straight line accelerating", and the guru is Rob Wilson.
What you forget is the most important besides all you counted up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
MONEY!!! (Or sponsors with money regardless you crash all the time) Without that all above isn´t counted for anything but maybe your home village rally once a year.
Yes, good for him realizes that on-time. In this way he can avoid mistakes (also improve himself, sure), like fresh example lets take JML's off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Don't agree car development is responsibility of the engineers at all. Actually a driver dezines the car behaviour, the quality is then responsibility of the engineers. Sr. Sainz dezined Polo R WRC's behaviour (later Ogier - as fresh example, Loeb & Citroen are different "beers" from near past).
Alongside WRC, on day 2, has Promotion with the 3 regionals championship: http://ewrc-results.com/foto.php?e=1...ocão-2014
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photo...o_dsc_4969.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photo...o_dsc_5013.jpg
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2014/photo...o_dsc_5055.jpg
Ogier will like Loeb did in a top car.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
Put Ogier in either a Fiesta RS or in a DS3 and the streak of wins would be the same as in the Polo.
Neuville and Loeb proved it fairly and clearly last year.
Ogier have used the amount of 150 EUR during his whole career, that is not too much is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
But off cource you are right, money not only plays a big part, it plays to big a part.
Rallycars in all classes should and could be made A LOT cheaper.
It is the engineers that have studied engineering, and the laws of physics, and it is the responsibility of the engineer to make a good rally car.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
The problem is: The engineers can engineer a theoretically perfect rally car, but no driver would be able to drive it, beqause no driver has that amount of ability to drive theoretically perfect over every metre.
The only thing a driver can do, including Sr. Sainz and Ogier, is to make compromises to get the car drivable.
FX designed the VW rallycar, Sr. Sainz and Ogier helped make the compromises in set up needed to make it drivable.
The driver who can drive with the least amount of compromises in the set up has the theoretically fastest rallycar. And the driver who can use this set up and drive the most theoretically perfect is the fastest driver.
When Sebastien Loeb famously drove faster up the Pikes Peak Hill Climb than the computers of Peugeot predicted, it wasnt beqause Loeb have found a way tho cheat physics, or that Loeb is faster than a computer, it is only the proof of a small computer error putting Peugeots estimates off by a small margin.
What you talk about is called car set-up and every driver must do this at every Rally. I was talking about decisions engineers must make, based on output from a Driver, that involves mostly drivetrain, can't tell You much details about the exact parts what will impact in particular, I'm not that familiar, and also very important - the weight distribution. I'll give you not that fresh example of.... AUDI. In "Sport" evolution of Quattro they made shorter wheel base, also put oil coolers and stuff on the back of the car to achive more oversteer and weight distribution. All that is based on Driver experience with the car. Same would happen with 200 Quattro '87 and further if AUDI decided to continue this project (well not "the same" things per ce), but the car needed urgenty of some weight reduction on the front, based on the impressions Herr Rohrl had in Monte '87.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
The commentator of the livestream mentioned twice after the Power stage the importance of pacenotes, imo too there is the key for their succes. Pacenotes is a tricky multitasking thing (just try Richard Burns Rally and rely on the pacenotes). Did you thoroughly thought about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Here is my recap of the rally! I hope you like it!!
Like and share!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3hJWF15XhU
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Off cource the pace notes are important, but we also have to remeber what the pace notes is:Quote:
Originally Posted by GallardoGT
They are not only a "cheat cheet" telling you where, and how sharply the road turns after the blind crests, but they are also where all your knowledge of risk management, physics, strategy, driving technique should be reflected.
Your pace notes should be looked upon as a "mirror that reflects your own knowledge about what it takes to win rallies."
What you leave in the pacenotes off corect and vital information will help you win rallies, what you leave out will help you loose them.
Cool video, shows off how b@d a$$ rally really is!Quote:
Originally Posted by chosse_1
So that's too your advice for the competitors to focus more on their pacenotes ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
@ Lundefaret
two very insightful posts
opinions may differ, but its always good to see some rational behind someone's views
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Originally Posted by Lundefaret
And this is the reason why Kubica seems to fail now.
Photos from last day HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1243
Strange, they count Sordo points... (no points in this case)
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There are several aspects of his driving that Kubica needs to adress if he is to become succesfull in rallying, this is two of the most important ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
1) Risk management: How high a risk is sustainable during a WRC-event.
2) Learning driving technique tools to lower risk, and to better his ability.
Kubica have a racers notion of braking points, and his toolbox regarding braking seems very limited.
In rallying, especially on loose surfaces, you can not have a braking point, you have to have a braking area. This is beqause you dont know exactly what the grip level is going to be at the braking point, or after it.
This is why you have to establish a braking strategy where some of the braking is used to feel the grip level, compromising the braking distance.
a) You brake more progressivly.
b) You brake for a longer stretch of road.
c) You use your throttle to extend the braking sone. (Left foot braking)
d) You use a combination of throttle and brakes to create extra grip by getting the car to sit lower on its dampers.
e) The "reaction" of the car sitting lower on the dampers can be used to build up a "counter reaction" if need be (ie. if your in throuble you have more choices/tools.)
Kubica seems "cought out" on several occations. His off in Rally Wales was a very good example. After discovering that he had braked to late, he had no tools to save the situation, and he went straight on in the left hand corner.
Kubica is a very good driver, and he seems to be a very inteligent man. Maybe he should reflect on Sebastien Loebs ability to win so many rallies with such a low level of risk?
It is VERY old fasioned to believe that first you learn speed, and then you learn to keep the car on the road. You have, from the word go, learn to establish a higher and higher sustainable speed. Maximum speed is for other types of motorsport than rallying.
Could we maybe have these quotes in another topic like "How to become the fastest rallydriver in the world" or something??Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Again: The engineer designs the rally car, the driver has to try to drive the optimal rally car with as few compromises as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I can promise you that the engineer can make a rally car that is faster than todays WRC-cars (whitin the same regulations), but you would need an all knowing computer to drive it.
Regarding Audi and Röhrl: The Audi quattro Sport is a perfect example of this. Theoretically the shorter Audi quattro Sport was faster, then if you would have the same engine in the UR quattro, but it was to unstable for the drivers to take full advantage of this. Thath is why a compromise of the longer car would have been faster.
But, regarding Audi in the Group B-era: Don´t forget that it was not the engineers that decided that the wantet to drive with the big and heavy engine hanging out in front of the front axle, it was the "clever" idea of the marketing department. And the marketing department is even worse at making good rally cars than the drivers;)
The Audi engineers wanted to have a mid engined car just like Peugeot and Lancia, and they even made it. It was a rally monster destined for the still born class called Group S, that was to follow Group B. It was an engineered made Audi, it was mid engined, light weight, and very powerful.
The legend Walter Röhrl (wich I have been so lucky as to spend quite a lot of time with), can tell you that when the engineers got to decide, and not the marketing department, they made a truly marvelous rally car.He tried it once on a public road, and I think that you in the forrests of Bavaria still can hear an eccho from this day:)