at previous rallies was working ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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at previous rallies was working ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The problem started in Mexico, isnt allowed to change the engine between Mexico and Argentina. He is probably not next WDC, but a good 2.driver for a factoryteam.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
and before Mexico couldnt win a stage.
So which is the problem,if he is 4 minutes slower from leader,or 3 minutes?
Give it a rest Dim, this is boring now.
We all know your opinion on Ostberg's performance and no information, reasons or circumstances anyone gives will change it.
its better to give a rest to excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
its not my opinion that lacks performance.Its fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Informations given from Malcolm about Mads low performance.
Welcome to reality.
Ostberg is nothing, no reason to flog a dead horse, he has no future so why argue ?? Once daddy stops paying he is out.
Mads speed in Argentina was much under his abilities. Something else there. Try to have that in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
he could swap seats with Theirry then ??
they both like to blame the car
Or he could swap seats with Mikkelsen and then people would think Ostberg was rather good and that Mikkelsen was cruising round spending his Dads money!Quote:
Originally Posted by smokingjoe
he swapped with Mikko at citroen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
I would like to see a bit more speed from Mikelssen too, but I don't think he's as slow as Ostberg. Remember his team mate is quite good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
People only reply because of the OTT criticism of Ostberg... but no-one said he was the best or fastest in the first place..
Should he beat the factory drivers in the best cars ? No.
But from the criticism you'd think he should...
Partly he brings it on himself because of his moaning/excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I preferred the way Mikko Hirvonen handled it. When he wasn't quick enough he admitted it and didn't blame anyone else.
One persons moaning/excuses is another persons reasons/circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I dont mind people criticising when its fair to do so, but there seems to be some strange thing with Mads.
They treat him like he is some kind of imposter when he actually finished 4th in the 2015 WDC - first driver behind the all-conquering VWs.
He's basically a one-man team for M-Sport and needs to get them points, whatever it takes, as no-one else is going to. Going flat-out to complete with the factory teams means big-risks and a chance of going off and therefore no points. And if he does try that hard he is still like to come off worse due to the inferior car. Whether he comes say 4th, 5th or 6th by 1 min or 5 mins doesnt affect the points he gets for that position... so why take big risks ?
He should finish 7th after the factory drivers but he is usually higher, so what is he doing so wrong ? He is currently 3rd in the Championship.
Save your harsh criticism for the likes of Neuville or Latvala.
Mr Consistent
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg1A59tW4AMp_ch.jpg
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Mads Østberg (Ford Fiesta RS)
Result: 5th
Fifth was a disappointing result for Mads who went to Argentina hoping for a third successive podium. Slower than fellow Fiesta RS pilot Tanak on the opening three stages, Mads denied there was anything wrong but, as the event wore on, his upbeat end of stage comments seemed increasingly out of step with his stage times. For a driver who claimed to be in a good rhythm and driving hard why wasn't he more competitive? It's a mystery. And one M-Sport has pledged to investigate before Portugal.
That table is useless since points systems changed over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
if you were a manager,who would you choose,Makinen,Gronholm or mr constistent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Table with old point system (20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1) (1973-arg2016)
1 SEBASTIEN LOEB 2214
2 CARLOS SAINZ 1860
3 JUHA KANKUNEN 1465
4 MIKO HIRVONEN 1439
5 PETER SOLBERG 1293
6 MARCUS GRONHOLM 1279
7 MARKKU ALEN 1104
8 JARI MATI LATVALA 1095
9 SEBASTIAN OGIER 1027
10 DIDIER AURIOL 1025
11 COLIN MCRAE 1024
12 TOMMY MAKINEN 971
13 DANI SORDO 893
14 HANNU MIKKOLA 833
15 RICHARD BURNS 805
16 MASSIMO BIASION 768
17 BJORN WALDEGARD 719
18 STIG BLOMQVIST 694
19 WALTER ROEHRL 588
20 TIMO SALONEN 586
21 KENNETH ERIKSSON 576
22 ARI VATANEN 558
23 MADS OSTBERG 519
24 MARKKO MARTIN 487
25 FRANCOIS DELECOUR 482
ANDREAS MIKKELSEN 345
HAYDEN PADDON 142
THIERRY NEUVILLE 337
KRIS MEEKE 174
Surely divide by # of rallies, an average points per rally would be logical, this is pointlessQuote:
Originally Posted by ik1911
It's less pointless than counting together different point scoring systems :)
WRC Starts Points Av.
1 SEBASTIEN LOEB 169 13,1
2 SEBASTIEN OGIER 101 10,2
3 MASSIMO BIASION 78 9,8 *
4 CARLOS SAINZ 196 9,5
5 JUHA KANKUNEN 162 9,0 *
6 MIKO HIRVONEN 163 8,8
7 MARKKU ALEN 129 8,6 *
8 MARCUS GRONHOLM 152 8,4
9 WALTER ROEHRL 75 7,8
10 RICHARD BURNS 104 7,7
11 BJORN WALDEGARD 95 7,6
12 COLIN MCRAE 146 7,0
13 TOMMY MAKINEN 139 7,0
14 PETER SOLBERG 188 6,9
15 JARI MATI LATVALA 160 6,8
16 HANNU MIKKOLA 123 6,8
17 DANI SORDO 132 6,8
18 DIDIER AURIOL 152 6,7
19 TIMO SALONEN 95 6,2 *
20 MARKKO MARTIN 84 5,8
21 STIG BLOMQVIST 122 5,7
22 ARI VATANEN 101 5,5
23 MADS OSTBERG 94 5,5
24 THIERRY NEUVILLE 63 5,3
25 ANDREAS MIKKELSEN 69 5,0
Do I assume right that You counted "virtual points" based on the same point scoring system?
Yes, with old point scoring system!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
This is OT.
Is M-Sport coming with an engine upgrade soon?
noQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
podcast with Wilson about 2017 cars and other topics http://www.talkativebroadcasting.co....son-m-sport-6/
They are gonna test the new car in July.
I hope they build a complete new chassis for Mads, and are able to tweek the software back to a level where the downshifts are working again.
Their drivers need a car they can trust will do what they give it input to do, and not just hoping for the best!
I think all Fiesta drivers have the same issues, they just dont tell it on the radio/tv.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
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Not sure whether this was public knowledge until now - but M-Sport will be running a new model Ford car in 2017. And given the cars don't exist yet they can't start testing the exact spec. I'd assume it will be the new shape Fiesta?
http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...d-for-2017-wrc
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fi...d-release-date
I'm hopeful that this, in addition to the work M-Sport did on the Focus RS RX, means they are moving back closer to Ford Performance.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
post of the year!!! http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smi...mooth/hang.gif
Happy to humour you all!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
But as the cars are now, I think they will be better off with a manual secuential box!
they are infantery proofed, and trustable.
I am not saying the Fords will win rallies due to this, but for sure higher up than now.
Mads was 4th in the 2015 WDC means he can do the job in a decent car.
And he's still lying 3rd in 2016 despite everything ! :hmph:
MSport will have the new Fiesta in 2017.
Hope you boys know Eric keeps his seat for 2016
Camilli has a two-year deal and M-Sport have first option in 2018. That's all public knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
In M-Sport nothing is certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
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Camilli showed some impressive progress in last two events. He obviously has a good head, the pressure on him after the start of the season must have been pretty intense, yet he didn't break and did some good, consistent and not entirely slow driving in Argentina and Portugal.
you spelled "he was not completely useless" wrong....Quote:
Originally Posted by USER47
impressive
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