Well, now... I think the word of the day is "funky". :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
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Well, now... I think the word of the day is "funky". :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
I think they look pretty damn cool! The side view of the Sonny's car is killer!Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
Gary
....looks like some of my frends here, did go for extra expense on those special glasses that make things appear better. Car looks like is designed by Toro.
You tomato. I saw tomahto. Sorry, but I DO really like the look in oval trim a lot, even with my glasses off.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Gary
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The last time I saw a rear wing that low was on Carpentier's Formula Atlantic at Road America in the mid-nineties.
Andretti - "flat-out through turn one".
Hmm... don't know if I like the sound of that.
I know I DON'T like the idea of ANYONE being able to go flat out on any oval corner. I want them to have to lift, due to more HP and less downforce. Flat out on an oval corner is just flat out unacceptable, period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marbles
Gary
There is no metaphor or analogy that is going to make these cars look better or faster. To bad for great opportunity missed .
I agree and what worries me is that these cars were so inherently unstable out of the box on ovals that they may have had to bolt on enough aero or reduce horsepower to keep them straight that they will all be running around in one... what's that word I'm looking for... Pack! To be fair, Andretti also said "it wasn't pretty in traffic" -- keeping in mind that Marco isn't known for being a set-up king.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
However, I believe it's too early for concern. Perhaps that bulbous rear end will result in some nice drafting.
I actually think they look pretty cool with the Indy version rear aero. Can one of the Photoshop aces remove that airbox on the Sonnys car for me please. Honestly, with out hte airbox and goofy side pods, the car might not be so terribly bad looking.
BTW- what does Dallara and ICS actually call the karbashians? It's been so long now since anyone used a read term I can't honestly remember.
Some MS Paint quickies. Original, followed by three chopped pics. I didn't put much effort into it. The end results sort of remind me of the F3000-based Indy Lights Lola introduced in 1997.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...img_large1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...12rollhoop.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...2rollhoop1.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ollhoop1bw.jpg
Much better, thank you. Looks like a race car not lawnmower. That would be a good starting point for next year updates.
IMHO, meh. I just don't see that it makes that much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Gary
Not knowing exactly where the engine lies under the cowling, I'd drop the cowling down lower to the energizer logo, then loose the stupid sidepods for a more traditional sidepod like the Dallara roadcourse concept sidepods.
It actually looks better with the rear bumper.... To me the biggest ugly on the car is the side pods - fix those and the rest is ok. I'd prefer no air box - but it is ok....
At this point, I'll be happy to see what the aero kits bring us next year - the things race pretty well so I guess you can't have everything....
Nothing separates Indycar from the rest of the open wheel world like a roll hoop (and lower engine cowling).Quote:
Originally Posted by Civic
Lost on everybody but us. Funny huh...
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/o.../2012Rahal.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Is this what you mean Chris....... :D
That's a good photochop!
Thank you! Much,much better looking car, what if they remove a bumper and move a wing little bit forward than maybe incorporate some safety bar in the back as a part of the wing assembly. Car would look better and it would add safety. Just thinking out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenixent
That woud be good argument if these cars where fast , but fact to date is that no records where broken so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
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Originally Posted by Starter
It's still a good argument, unless the purpose is to make the cars slower. And I don't think you are suggesting that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Gary
Hm, potentially! Means what ? That you don't know or...I don't understand what you traying to say. I have posted statement obout car looking better without air box and a wing been moved farward a little as thinking out loud, and as a fan that remembers days of fast and beatiful racing cars ,not as mechanical engineer. I'm not traying to pick on anyone's engineering skills or devoted love of ugly bumpers , it was a more of a question , and definitely I'm not sure like you are that would be faster or slower than a car that broke the sound barrier at Indy two days ago. Please!Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
[quote="Starter"]I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you. I was just responding to your post:
There is never fighting by posting here as far as I'm concerened, only discussion obut topics we are passionate obout, as we all want sport of Indycar racing to be as best it could be, nothing is ever personal.
Talked to a current ICS driver/former ChampCar driver at Long Beach today about the DW12. He said that they were still working on it but it's slow going. When I asked him how it compares to the DP-01 he smiled and said now that was a car really fast and handled well. He sure missed that car.... :)
Well here is some oval video finally, but still haven't seen these cars in a pack.............
New Indy Cars Set Up For Ovals During a Test At Texas Motor Speedway on May 7 2012 - YouTube
So seems to me that once they're in the race and packing up, the speeds should be closer. But eventually it will be just as fast on the ovals. It should be fine. Hopefully the cars race on the ovals well!!
Those cars look funky and they're kind of growing on me. They look like they punch a big hole in the air.. sling shot drafting?
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I like the aesthetics of the rear wing. I really do. I'm still not a fan of the rear wheel guards though - they look incredibly awkward, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marbles
http://img150.imagevenue.com/loc165/..._122_165lo.jpg
And for the airbox, I think they could have easily done what Mercedes did on their previous F1 car.
http://img261.imagevenue.com/loc2/th...ca_122_2lo.jpg
Or even better, what Lotus did on the gorgeous Lotus 78
http://img238.imagevenue.com/loc357/..._122_357lo.jpg
But that's just a personal preference.
Aerokits anyone??
Aero kit program moves forward for next season
After look over what can be changed and what can be changed this is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. The one piece front wing can't be touched and the ugly dallara nose can not be re-skinned. you get to mess with the side pods,engine cover and wing end plates. So we have a barnhart dallara that we are stuck with and nascar type smoke and mirrors to think you see something different.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
BB screws ICS and the teams making the deal with dallara. The cars cost about 750,000.00 instead of about 350,000.00 that they were promised. Plus they have to buy all the small parts that can be fabricated in their shops from dallara.. What a royal screwing everyone is getting on the DW12 between the cost and parts then add the mickey mouse aero kits rules...
Wow, $750k instead of $350k? That is huge (stating the obvious, i know). no wonder the owners are up in arms.... I thought the price was set/capped???
So it's more expensive weighs the same and you could have rolled out the old one and say on pole at the 500
Hmmmm
I think the only one that knew the true cost and other items in the deal was BB( Penske's Pet in the ICS). BB shafted everyone with this deal after he made sure that even after all the proposals from other makers dallara was it. He should be tared and feathered and run out on a rail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
Thanks Starter.. I forgot we have a new BB :D Okay it Brian I am a Penske guy Barnhart......Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter