as usual is new rules good buisness for the producers.
when you hear the prices on some parts, it insane and out of every proposion.
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as usual is new rules good buisness for the producers.
when you hear the prices on some parts, it insane and out of every proposion.
Citroen DS3 R1 has only tarmac kit? no gravel kit?
Any latest news fro all the R groups?
What will happen to R4? Will they allow any road car with 4WD 1.6 turbo to be homologated into it?
Mini Countryman/Paceman would make an ideal R4 car.
R5 is nearly ready by some works teams, will VW be having an R5 car?
I don't think so, it would be SkodaQuote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
That is possible already now but nobody is interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Plus R4 is not for 1.6 turbos right?
Wrong :) The rules don't say You must use maximum allowed engine capacity. If You have stock 4x4 car with 1.6T engine it can be homologated either in N4 or R4 class but of course it will have a handicap against 2.0T Lancers and Imprezas.
Ahh, Just been going under the assumptionthey had to be 2.0 :D Especially as the 2.5 litre european market WRXs weren't used for the base car. But then 2.5 would be ridiculous!
we allow up to 2.5 engines (my car uses a 2.2 subaru engine) here and there is a slight advantage with torque but because of the restrictor they make the same power as smaller engines. Larger engines just choke themselves at a lower rpm than a smaller engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
We could see a Mini Paceman become an R4 car, who knows?
What the FIA could do is to encourage the 1.6 turbo 4WD cars in like the Countryman/Paceman, then to stop any new homologations of 2 litre cars.
Then by allowing the 1.6 to have a lower minimum weight, the 1.6 cars in R4 become as fast.
All depends on how the FIA decide to do it, if they decide to do anything at all.
As rumour has is that R5 will become the top category of the WRC in time, and will they then want to keep R4 as the next category down?
1.6 turbo 4WD coming from Subaru ?
http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2011/7/2...-More-7703925/
I don't think so. It's 4x4 system is nowhere near the Impreza or Lancer. It would be much slower and the engine would not be the reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
You are contradicting Your previous posts. We have only two manufacturers interested in Gr.N 4x4 cars and to encourage more interest You want to throw away those only two. Twisted logic, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Your point of view is extremely simplified. The car is not solely an engine on wheels. What makes Subaru and Mitsubishi so strong is decades of expensive development of the whole system starting from transmission, differentials, suspension and of course also the engine. Fact is that no other manufacturers produce similar 4x4 cars and they will not produce them in the future simply because it is hell expensive to invest in such development and there is not enough buyers in the world to pay that. Believe it or not to build a rally car from scratch in few pieces doesn't cost manufacturers billions like to make a competitive stock car. Leaving aside all other problems like corporate fuel consumption, emission standards etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
Definitely not. Anyway there were already years with gr.N cars as a top category (since 2005 to coming of S2000). I'm glad they are gone as those were the worst years of our rallying with no interest from anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
I'm just reading a press release from Hungarian Eurosol Team, and they say Honda Europe and JAS wants to build an R5 car...
Confirmation (did we already have that?) of Citroen that they are building an R5 DS3.
Citroën: R5 statt RRC*:: rallye-magazin.de
First tests scheduled for April, first planned rally is Rallye de France.
Now THAT would be GREAT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fri
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Matton said that some half a year a go in some interview. Don't remember where it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
M Sport with their R5 Fiesta Testing gets underway for Ford Fiesta R5
Wont be long till these R5 cars come to the stages and look no different to what the current WRC and RRC cars perform like.
It would be nice if a site would list up all the existing R-classes modeles. This would be a nice place to do this: Group R - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's hard to see a difference between R1/R2 of the same car. It would be nice if every car has a nice sticker with its car class in it.
Performance-wise and sound-wise the difference between R1 and R2 cars is clear. You don't need to be such an experience spectator to see that one is basically a stock car and the other a much more advanced race machine.
you will hear the difference a mile away! Even my mother would understand the difference!Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpwiPHzm-4
They really have to make the R5 Fiesta a bit louder in my opinion.
Louder than the R3Ts and N/R4s so that's loud enough for me!
A few months ago, Honda spoke of the idea of returning to Formula 1 as an engine supplier when the new engine regulations come into effect in 2014, and that any further motorsport programmes would depend on the success of the Civic being run in the World Touring Car Championship by JAS; ie, they won't expand until they feel the Civic is a success (and it does look pretty strong in the hands of Gabriele Tarquini). It's since been suggested that they will return to Formula 1 in 2015. That's going to be an expensive proposition, so while an R5 Civic would be nice, I don't think it will be a priority any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fri
Our team 'ALM RUSSIA' has built Volkswagen Polo R2. Take a look here (photos, specification) >
Finally :)
Nice video of the R5 Fiesta on the Malcolm Wilson Stages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpwiPHzm-4
Very nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
I guess the car is not FIA homologated?
Does it run an air filter in the carbon airbox?
The new Polo R (road car) is 1.6 turbo ?
This could mean an R3T category rally car is coming soon?
Polo R is equipped with 2.0 TSI engine, Polo R WRC uses purpose built "global engine" not coming from stock production.
Anyway according to the new rules there is no problem to build R3 car with engine from another car of the same carmaker but still I would bet VW doesn't plan R3T car, at least not in close future.
As VW has said that they don’t even make a RRC car at this moment. Focus on WRC and it’s looking very promising.
So how is the new R5 category coming along ? M Sport have had some outings in their Fiesta R5.
What is the outlook by the FIA for the next few years? Will it still be WRC RRC R5 or will WRC/RRC be phased out when R5 is established?
Is this an R3 car with an R5 engine? Sure it's FWD and it doesn't look as meaty as the Fiesta R5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaggelis27
Exactly. The engine of R5 is very similar to R3T (I don't know exact difference in rules besides much bigger restrictor but the basis is absolutely same).
I think current WRC will be phased out 2016 or so and replaced with R5. Not sure RRC but imagine it will go too.Quote:
Originally Posted by navtheace
What is your source for this?Quote:
Originally Posted by noel157
I really hope it will not happen. Full WRC teams commitment into R5 will only grow prices sky high.
But isn't the whole idea behind Group R driven by the FIA fixing the price for every category?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Doesn't matter what was the idea, it will never work unless there are no big players directly involved in the competition. It can work in feeder classes but never in top category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
He doesn't need a source. He stating his opinion, not a fact. "I think..., but imagine..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
I tend to agree with him I can see R5 becoming the next top flight category or the basis of. Make manufacturers homologate a R5 car and then allow a spec upgrade from R5 to WRC, basically bigger restrictor and more wing :) . So sort of the opposite way round to RRC/1.6T S2000. And the spec upgrade from R5 to WRC should be available to all, with a price cap. The move to production based engines is vital I believe. The next evolution of the Fiesta WRC could quite easily be an R5 with 300 horses, some aero and 6 speed 'box.
If this was to happen there would be huge number of potential manufacturers and cars available already with such interest in the R5 category, probably much to the dismay of VW.