the place is about 200m ahead from where Mikkelsen vent off, his off was really a close call, 1m more to the right and he would have to look for a new co-driver, both guys was in kind of a chock.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
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the place is about 200m ahead from where Mikkelsen vent off, his off was really a close call, 1m more to the right and he would have to look for a new co-driver, both guys was in kind of a chock.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Luckily for him the rallyforum.com psychology crew was on the spot to give first aid. :p
http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5...kkelsenlz0.jpg
How much do you think would be ok to charge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha
He should have paid our dinner at Jämsänkoski. ;)
Good work. It's never smart to show the faces of FRM members. If you did you'd wake up with a reindeer head next to you in the morning......Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha
Do you see a face on that pic, apart from Mikkelsen? ;)
That's why I said good work ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha
Back from Finland and once again must say it was an amazing experience :up: the stages we spectated were cool especially the one were Mikkelsen went off (not because of that though) We were just on that long straits before the jump Mikkelsen missunderstood or got a wrong note as he told me ;) Anyway from were we where we could see who had the balls to not to brake before the jump, only 4 drivers didn't brake : Loeb, Mikko, Gigi and Atkinson :s mokin: Again our Finns forumers were great, everything was perfectly organized, so a big big thanks :up: to everyone who was there and did a great job. See you next year Guys :D
Pino,there is no rally finland next year you'll have to wait for two whole years for the next Rally Finland. ;) :(Quote:
Originally Posted by pino
that is offcourse nonsence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
You mean 2010 there isn't... if FIA rotation plans hold...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghostwalker
Our photos could be find in the following webpage:
http://www.rallyfoto.hu
My friend visits quite a few rallies every year, he was also in finland.
We talked yesterday and he still couldn`t stop laughing about something that Hirvonen said after the rally had finished, namely, he promised to beat Loeb in Germany :D
Sorry, I missed the punchline there. Mikko indeed said that from now on he just can't drive for secure points but he has to go and drive for the win in every rally, even the tarmac ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
He wont beat Loeb OR Sordo on tarmac, going by JUST pace. It just realisticly wont happen :(Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Yes, I know that probably won't happen, especially speedwise but the point is the attitude. He won't go there cruising what he could do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anderton
The C4 is a beast on tarmac. On Monte it was like the car eats the road, both Loeb and Sordo (by their skill also) always came faster from the straights, and also in the corners they were doing at least 10kph+ more than the others (Ford, Subaru, etc.). I was impressed about the raw power of their engine and also the lateral grip (having changed the tyres since the previous year). They actually adapted to Pirelli at once !
It's luck for Ford they don't have other cars on road (Aava is not there, right ?), otherwise it would be a problem for Hirvonen and company.
Both Aava and Rautenbach is on the list of entries, so I guess after your speed observations (10kph+) Conrad will be on the podium….. or maybe not :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
Can anyone confirm whether Suominen drove Mitsubishi (as originally listed) or did he get Gabor's Subaru?Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Mitsubishi http://www.rallyfoto.be/albums/830/html/144b.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
Here is the switch...
Thanks DJ and jiipee, I happened to see a photo of Suominen in Mitsubishi's site just before I came back here... :)
I wonder if Mikko will get near 3rd place on Germany? realisticaly it's possible, but not quite likely to happen, what do you guys think?
If no one goes off or has technical problems I don't think Mikko will be in front of Loeb, Sordo or Duval. Also Atko, if he stays on the road, could be faster than Mikko.Quote:
Originally Posted by playmo
Didn't the Ford boys had some tarmac exercise some time ago?
That's more or less the prediction (and my thoughts too), but i wouldn't count that much on Duval (he's as unpredictable as Latvala), i think the fight for 2nd will be Atkinson against Sordo.Quote:
Originally Posted by HaCo
I'm still quite surprised by Atko's 3rd in Finland (it ranks him higher on my list) but i'm still waiting for such performance from Petter.
Was such a great drive from Seb, that makes me wonder what would have been if Bosse would've been around... (and for that matter: Colin, Carlos, Richard, Markko, etc, etc). You all know how good pace notes Seb does, and how he performs on "new" events (routes or overall)...
Thanks to the "Hauhonpohja guys" and A.F.F. for the nice time during the rally, I havent had this fun since my granny lost the brakes in her motorbike.
Duval will recieve an onboard message to..take a pitstop..if he is in front of Hirvonen, especially with the World Championship so close tight.
Duval has mature to consistent level now I think, did he crash out in his outings in 2007 with Citroen and then Ford in Monte Carlo? Okay he didn't finish corsica and Acropolis that year, but it was mechanical issues. I think like Gigi he is more in control now.Quote:
Originally Posted by playmo
I've uploaded a few photos from Finland if anyone fancies a look ..
http://www.rally-shots.com
:p I don't know how good Aava is on tarmac, but Rautenbach with a Xsara WRC was even slower than Broccoli with a Clio RQuote:
Originally Posted by Viking
The speed observations can be proved easily by the videos I did. Want to see some examples ? (don't know how to keep the sound when converting from the camera videoformat though :\ !).
Interestingly enough, Subaru had an engireer with a speed radar after a junction at stage 20. Above him there was some bloke who managed to look at the recorded speeds, Rautenbacher had the best speed of 98kph, Loeb 96kph, Mikko, 94kph and Gardemeister were something like 88-89kph. ;)
While I was spectator in South-Estonian rally then I found out that Rautenbach was actually as fast as Aava through the junctions (sometimes even faster) but was much slower on faster corners. So, in slow places he is actually quite good but in the corners where Aava didnt lift it was clearly visible that Rautenbach slowed quite remarkably.Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi
Aava on tarmac with WR car is still unknown factor, because it will be his first rally on tarmac with WR car. With front wheel drive car he was actually quite good. Last year he was second in JWRC in Germany 49.5 s behind Prokop (Aava was actually 12th in general classification). And prokop was with Citroen while Aava was with Suzuki which is not that fast car on tarmac. He was even faster that Prokop in France.. until he retired.
Possibly a bravery thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by janneppi
Everyone, even you and I, could possibly be the same speed through a given set of slower corners but its the faster corners where bravery has a major impact leading to better stage times.
Im assuming that the Rautenbach's of the world arnt quite as brave as the Special Agent 007's like Loab (sorry, been watching Bond movies:P).
Well, I read some interview on autosport.com (even though an F1 driver was quated, it's still the same in rallying I suppose), and one championship leader said smth like this: "Slow drivers are driving on either 120% or 80% of the winning pace, while top drivers are constantly on edge, going at 95, lim->100%, and that's what makes you the best".Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
And you can clearly see: Rautenbach is either damn slow, or too fast in places, which leads to crashes. At the same time you can rearly see Loeb or Hirvonen making strange crazy drives like Galli or Latvala perform, and see: who's leading the championship?
You guys are close to two of the simple truths of rallying.
1 The best drivers always drive the fast corners fast and the slow corners slow.
2 The best rally driver in the world is the one who makes the fewest mistakes = Seb.
You know what is Rautenbachs secret? He enters to the junction very slow.. losing quite a lot.. but then he can accelerate faster (because he could set the car to the right direction very easily) and then he is faster after the junction.. but in summary he still loses some time (because he was so slow before the junction ):-)Quote:
Originally Posted by grugsticles
PG Andersson not wearing his HANS very good here, see how it comes loose from the seatbelt.
http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=310...n%20stage%2016
Nice photos from DoN:
http://www.rallyphotos.cz/photos/nesterallyfinland2008/
Beautiful photos.....
Great pics as always :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by jbanbury