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2nd June 2008, 13:57
kleisj

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

That's the problem. One out of thirty and you might see a talented hotshot who serves the car right.

I prefer PWRC. That's where the talent lurks novadays :)

Few years back we had 5-7 hotshots with good fights between them. And in general the JWRC championship was exciting and spectacular to watch. Don't you agree?
2nd June 2008, 14:50
Kaps

Villagra's co-driver at Acropolis was not his usual Jorge Perez Companc, but Jose Maria Volta instead.

Does anyone know why?
2nd June 2008, 14:52
bluuford

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleisj

During the rally I've heard many things about the tyres. They were much heavier than the Michelins and all of the crews had problems with them. Some more some less, but they all did. It is estimated that they are 8kgs more than the Michelins. Anyway in all these years I don't remember Ford having suspension failures in Acropolis rally.... I don't know any details though , but I would welcome any comments on that if someone knows.

Well the problem with such a hard tyres is that they are really, really, really hard! If you want to make a tyre without mousse that lasts on such a rocky roads you have to make them very hard. Those tyres weight much more and at the same time they are not working like a part of suspension. Tyres with mousse were much softer and worked as a part of suspension as well. Now this function is missing and suspension gets much harder impacts and breaks more often. The problem is that they tried to cut costs on tyres but now they are paying it back to repair or modify their suspension The worst situation is with PWRC, because these cars are normally meant to drive with normal tyres not with "stone" tyres.

The problem why Mikko was loosing so much time during the first Days and Loeb lost also a lot of time during the second and third Days was also the single option of tyres. last years when you were first on the road you used softer tyre which had much better grip on the loose. Now they all have to use very hard tyre all the time which is little bit like a ski on the ice :-) The results in Greece were very clear. Loeb lost 85.4 seconds to stage winner on Saturday and 133.9 seconds on Sunday that is more than a 1 sek/km. So, don't blame Mikko that he is loosing too much time on the first day!
2nd June 2008, 15:17
c4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaps

Villagra's co-driver at Acropolis was not his usual Jorge Perez Companc, but Jose Maria Volta instead.

Does anyone know why?

From a press release

Villagra also changed co-drivers for the event, enlisting the help of Luis Pérez Companc’s regular co-driver after his own co-driver, Jorge Pérez Companc, was forced to stay home in Argentina for personal reasons.
2nd June 2008, 18:05
A.F.F.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleisj

Few years back we had 5-7 hotshots with good fights between them. And in general the JWRC championship was exciting and spectacular to watch. Don't you agree?

No I don't and the reason is simple. That was then, this is now. Today young hotshots have ( fortunately ) found a different way to the top and it isn't through S1600. I've never liked S1600, not even when Loeb loebinated the series.
2nd June 2008, 18:41
JCarlosPP

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleisj

(...)
PWRC.
Great quality of drivers. I would say that the most spectacular was Bernando Sousa. Really aggressive with the car a few cms away from disaster in more than some cases, cost him time though! Maybe Ostberg kind of driving hehehe! But he got 2nd place at the end behind his team mate! (...)

Yep that´s Bernardo Sousa!! Lat´s year after winning is first rally (at 19 years old) he started to do impressive stage times but not completing any rally whatsoever!! But this year it look´s like is able to keep it together and finish rally´s more often, that´s good for him!!

His luckiest escape this year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_X0GcDf7qM
2nd June 2008, 19:07
dimviii

:eek: :eek: :eek:
so in Acropolis was in ''safe mode'' :p :
2nd June 2008, 19:11
pejda

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

i also had a talk with two guys from CZ they told me they are owners of the www.ewrc.cz great guys keep the good work!!!(sorry i dont remember their names)

Hi, that was me in the service park you were talking to. It was a pleasure to be in Greece a to see the Acropolis rally, its really hot, dusty and unbelievable rough!
2nd June 2008, 19:24
dimviii

Ηι pejda!!
next year don t hesitate for calling me if you come in Greece.
nice to talk with petrolheads-wrcmaniacs

ps.i want www.ewrc.cz in english asap :D
2nd June 2008, 20:52
kleisj

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCarlosPP

Yep that´s Bernardo Sousa!! Lat´s year after winning is first rally (at 19 years old) he started to do impressive stage times but not completing any rally whatsoever!! But this year it look´s like is able to keep it together and finish rally´s more often, that´s good for him!!

His luckiest escape this year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_X0GcDf7qM

Wherever I saw him made quite an impression! I think he is very talented and I hope to see more of him in the future combined with winning results.

The vid was surely a lucky escape!
http://pics.miarroba.com/caretos/lol.gif
2nd June 2008, 21:03
kleisj

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

No I don't and the reason is simple. That was then, this is now. Today young hotshots have ( fortunately ) found a different way to the top and it isn't through S1600. I've never liked S1600, not even when Loeb loebinated the series.

Maybe you are right. But still I do love S1600s! Reminds me more of pureblood racing car which needs serious skills to take the best out of it. Not that the PWRC serious are easy cars to drive in the absolute limit but I think they are easier to control at flat out conditions.
But as I said before it was a nice surprise for me to get excited from the PWRCs in this rally. I didnt expect it at all!
2nd June 2008, 21:49
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

No I don't and the reason is simple. That was then, this is now. Today young hotshots have ( fortunately ) found a different way to the top and it isn't through S1600. I've never liked S1600, not even when Loeb loebinated the series.

Same here S1600 is more than boaring, I wish they would have been driving those after the PWRC in 1000 Lakes.
3rd June 2008, 05:40
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4

From a press release

Villagra also changed co-drivers for the event, enlisting the help of Luis Pérez Companc’s regular co-driver after his own co-driver, Jorge Pérez Companc, was forced to stay home in Argentina for personal reasons.

What press release, where can I find it?
3rd June 2008, 08:45
Viking

wrc.com

"Stobart VK M-Sport Ford driver Gigi Galli won the inaugural Colin McRae Trophy, offered by the organisers of the Acropolis Rally of Greece to the driver with the fastest average speed through a stage.

Galli recorded the rally’s fastest average speed - 100.77kph - though Sunday’s 15.14 kilometre Avlonas stage (SS14). "

Small mistake from wrc.com here as it was Chris Atkinson who won that stage, I think Gigi got it from SS17, Avolonas2.
Anyway congrats to Gigi :up:
He also set some kind of record in retiring on all 3 days :D
3rd June 2008, 10:49
DonJippo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomi

Same here S1600 is more than boaring, I wish they would have been driving those after the PWRC in 1000 Lakes.

Boring yes but it is easier to change to WRC from S1600 than GrN as a driver I mean.
3rd June 2008, 13:44
c4

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

What press release, where can I find it?

Here
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/...a_munchis.html
3rd June 2008, 13:51
N.O.T

some pics from me....full gallery to follow soon
3rd June 2008, 13:53
N.O.T

Novikov was the first one now vertunov...just to please my friend white sauron
3rd June 2008, 13:53
N.O.T

now some of the big boys
3rd June 2008, 13:55
N.O.T

I have pics from almost every driver in large formats...pm me with your requests if you want.
3rd June 2008, 13:59
A.F.F.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

I have pics from almost every driver in large formats...pm me with your requests if you want.

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)
3rd June 2008, 14:08
pettersolberg29

N.O.T - a couple of Aava wouldn't be bad.
3rd June 2008, 14:27
pavlos_a

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

I have pics from almost every driver in large formats...pm me with your requests if you want.

From me?? Support the greek driver!!!

Lambros
3rd June 2008, 14:46
jbanbury

I've uploaded a few photos from the event if anyone fancies a look ...

http://www.rally-shots.com
3rd June 2008, 14:50
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavlos_a

From me?? Support the greek driver!!!

Lambros

i can send a good batch of your whole career (since the puma kit car era) i just need an e-mail which can hold large files.

here is an appetiser from our world event....
3rd June 2008, 14:53
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by pettersolberg29

N.O.T - a couple of Aava wouldn't be bad.

Mr aava
3rd June 2008, 14:55
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

here you go
3rd June 2008, 14:57
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

finish mafia mobsters were also there....
3rd June 2008, 15:12
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

finish mafia mobsters were also there....

They do get everywhere, don't they? Like locusts...
3rd June 2008, 15:13
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by c4

Here
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/...a_munchis.html

Thanks C4! I wonder if anyone would know if Munchi's has PR department? Someone's gotta be writing these press releases?
3rd June 2008, 15:24
pavlos_a

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

i can send a good batch of your whole career (since the puma kit car era) i just need an e-mail which can hold large files.

here is an appetiser from our world event....

Thank you. [email:2wtg8uzh]lambros@athanassoulas.gr[/email:2wtg8uzh]
3rd June 2008, 15:26
A.F.F.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

finish mafia mobsters were also there....

Nah... that's only an observation team. Take it as a satellite squad. Real Finnish Rally Mafia dress differently :D
3rd June 2008, 15:47
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavlos_a

Thank you. lambros@athanassoulas.gr

pics sent...enjoy.
3rd June 2008, 15:53
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Nah... that's only an observation team. Take it as a satellite squad. Real Finnish Rally Mafia dress differently :D

They do dress? :eek: I am afraid to ask how...
3rd June 2008, 15:58
c4

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

Thanks C4! I wonder if anyone would know if Munchi's has PR department? Someone's gotta be writing these press releases?

PR articles for Ford teams done by Ford Press.
3rd June 2008, 16:52
dimviii

@AFF
you are right!!
they are not finns,they are austrians from mikko hirvonen fan club.I had a talk with them,really good guys they travel in almost every wrc rally.

so whats the dress code of Finns? :D
3rd June 2008, 17:13

Hi,

This is excellent in nature it seesms the SUBARU, i hope it would do better focus from the entire rally fans
3rd June 2008, 18:42
Tomi

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbanbury

I've uploaded a few photos from the event if anyone fancies a look ...

http://www.rally-shots.com

Top stuff as always, I hope your camera is still ok after the dust baths.
3rd June 2008, 18:43
tmx

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

@AFF
you are right!!
they are not finns,they are austrians from mikko hirvonen fan club.I had a talk with them,really good guys they travel in almost every wrc rally.

so whats the dress code of Finns? :D

The hair I think.
3rd June 2008, 19:45
kleisj

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.F.F.

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

Don't you worry! I've got you covered A.F.F.

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...008%20Day%201/

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...008%20Day%202/

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...008%20Day%203/

Pass is Acropolis

P.S. I don't have yet all the pictures uploaded yet since they are around 1000 and need resizing before uploading and this takes time. For the moment I have a few uploaded and in the near future I hope I ll have most of them.

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