S2000 & Group N, The future of rallying?

I don't want turbo ! Because if so there will be a limiter like now on Gr.N = bad sound. S2000 is ok, sounds good (high RPM) and good speed that will only improve in years - I think in 2-3 years max we will have a very very nice top speed from some engines (think about Citroen they always do unbelievable work on engines power).

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Originally Posted by Helstar

I don't want turbo ! Because if so there will be a limiter like now on Gr.N = bad sound. S2000 is ok, sounds good (high RPM) and good speed that will only improve in years - I think in 2-3 years max we will have a very very nice top speed from some engines (think about Citroen they always do unbelievable work on engines power).

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I agree turbo's suck but it is the cheapest way to get power.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

I would like to see a variety of different configurations- it can get boring listening to the same 'strangled fart' sound. At Epynt yesterday there were all kinds of engines and sounds. It would be nice if the WRC was ike this.
I'd like to go further though and see a variety of transmission configurations, i;e 4WD, FWD, RWD. So a 4WD car would have les power than FWD/RWD, but obviously superior traction. Whereas a FWD/RWD would have a lot more power but less traction. But I know this won't happen- it was remembering Ragnotti against the Lancia Deltas in Portugal in 1987 got me thinking.

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Was watching the 95 season review on dvd the other day and it was amazing. The cars sounded different and performed differently on different surfaces and there were rallies where 2wd car were up there also. Would it be possible to make the cars moldular in regards to drivetrain? IE car can be 4wd or FWD or RWD? I do think it would be good if the cars could at least have an option for 2wd in some form or another and be given allowances in tyre width and weight as the F2 cars had over WRCars in the 90's just to make things a bit different.

The best thing about the WRC in the 90's was that you had so many different factors in play. Specialists, 2wd cars, tyre manufacturer, one car being suited to a specific surface and so on.

These days you get the feeling that the cars are very similar underneath the bodywork :mark:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Was watching the 95 season review on dvd the other day and it was amazing. The cars sounded different and performed differently on different surfaces and there were rallies where 2wd car were up there also. Would it be possible to make the cars moldular in regards to drivetrain? IE car can be 4wd or FWD or RWD? I do think it would be good if the cars could at least have an option for 2wd in some form or another and be given allowances in tyre width and weight as the F2 cars had over WRCars in the 90's just to make things a bit different.

The best thing about the WRC in the 90's was that you had so many different factors in play. Specialists, 2wd cars, tyre manufacturer, one car being suited to a specific surface and so on.

These days you get the feeling that the cars are very similar underneath the bodywork :mark:

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In my mind that was one of the stengths of the WRC - all the different variables - cars and tyres for gravel, some for tarmac, same with drivers; on Tar specialists would come into the team, on snow Eriksson, Jonsson, Radstrom, etc. I seem to remember somebody high up saying the teams having specialists wasn't good because you wouldn't get that in F1- i;e bringing in a driver for a certain circuit. So what WRC is not F1, thank goodness, that's half the problem now- changes made to make it F1 like.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I agree turbo's suck but it is the cheapest way to get power.

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So if not Turbo, what about a Supercharger/Kompressor to boost the S2000 engine ?

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Originally Posted by flat out fred

One of the main reasons the WRC coverage has become so poor is it is impossible to create an interesting program when you have only got 2 competitors winning rallies............

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+1

That is it in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Abarth

So if not Turbo, what about a Supercharger/Kompressor to boost the S2000 engine ?

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Why does the engine have to have forced induction? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I agree turbo's suck .

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But only on the inlet side

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

In my mind that was one of the stengths of the WRC - all the different variables - cars and tyres for gravel, some for tarmac, same with drivers; on Tar specialists would come into the team, on snow Eriksson, Jonsson, Radstrom, etc.

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Aghini, Liatti, Blomqvist, Cunico, Bourne, Duncan.........

It used to be so much more exciting.

So, what do you think about the end of the not most powerfull, but the fastest rally cars ever made? Perhaps the C4WRC tarmac spec is the fastest ever.

Todays WRC cars are technological piece of engeneering, and i will really miss them, even with 2 seasons from end. The idea of the new being an S2000 "tuned" is just :( I really hop the new cars will be completely different from what S2000 are....because they´re quite boring to watch, when compared to WRC cars!

Its a pitty that few manufacturers are in today or, i should say, real contenders? Because for me the problem is not the number of manufacturers, but the fact that they are not competitive. We need that all brands get in with REAL intents for win, not just to make number. Years in the past, we had less manufacturers in the field to figth to the win.
Do you have present the number of manufacturers in F1? 5...(Ferrari/BMW/Renault/Toyota/Honda) the others are privateers, including Mclaren(with engines from Mercedes). But here, the privateers are competitive!

So, we also need more teams like Stobart. But there´s problems in that because a privateer can´t have is hown car in WRC.

And what to think about the new Subaru, a new car being developed to compite 1.5years :dozey: