Don't even try comparing Hamilton to MS, that would be blasphemy. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
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Don't even try comparing Hamilton to MS, that would be blasphemy. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by markabilly
Someone should do the calculations about how much it benefited the BMW's and the Williams this 2-4 C cooler fuel.
Take into account that it took the fuel at max.2 or 3 minutes to get to the legal temperature, that means 2 laps, where they might have got a fw tenths advantage over LH.
Impose a time penalty on them.
To make it even I would like BMW and Williams to contest the outcome of Fridays decision about Hamilton using to many sets of tires and impose a time penalty on him too.
Or maybe should all the teams appeal the outcome of the spying hearing and get McLaren thrown out together with their drivers, as rules say that it should be.
And while we are at it ban Bernie from the WMSC cause he clearly has nothing to do with the sporting side of the sport. :mad:
Quite true. Hamilton broke the rules and got away with a fine so why not a fine for the cars with cool fuel? :p Stupid rule though. Let them cool the fuel all they want. One less thing to regulate.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
ya maybe a little to early..Give him a couple more years...don't think you will use the word "blasphemy" anymore than ioan...Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
At least one thing he already showed in comparisson to MS when it comes to deciding a championship in the last race...sportsmansship.....don't saw him make any attempts to run his rivals of the track....
You can't run them of track when you aren't on the track or anywhere close to them! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by TL
Just remembered him in front of Kimi during qualifying! :D
A couple of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by electron
Firstly, the FIA and the race Stewards are NOT the same. The Stewards are independent of the FIA. Take a look at the events of the 2005 San Marino GP where the FIA appealed the decision of the Stewards. If the Stewards were under the control of the FIA, the FIA would simply overturn their decisions without the need to go to the FIA.
Secondly, the issue is not whether the fuel was over the 10 degree limit, but rather how accurate the taken measurements were. Clouding the issue is that there appeared to be a discrepancy between the FOM temperature reading and that of the FIA appointed weatherman. The regulations do not state which temperature is the only one to be used, further clouding the issue.
The stewards made the only decision they could with the data they had. If it was as black and white as you suggest, BMW and Williams would be gone already. It isn't, just like a lot of things in F1.
I was expecting something like this to come out afterwards...!!!
Although I'm still gutted for Hamilton, I don't think he'll want to accept the championship title this way and I would feel sorry for Kimi too. I don't think anything will come of this latest rule fiasco. However, Ferrari can't complain about people breaching rules and then whine when other people being prosecuted results in them losing out!
Someone needs to sort out these rules. There's either far faaar too many grey areas or the teams simply don't respect the system enough (and that's not all that suprising considering the inconsistencies of the FIA rulings). Both aspects need to be sorted to prevent the problems of this season affecting the next.
The stewards decision not to penalise the teams for having fuel that's too cool will be down to the fact that it's not exactly easy to regulate the temperature of a liquid on a hot day. Why have such a silly rule? Why not let the teams chill the fuel to whatever temperature they want? Then they'll all be "cheating" equally.Quote:
Originally Posted by slinkster
I have a question. I know that McLaren have informed FIA that they would appeal. Have they appealed yet?
I'm asking because after they were banned from 2007 WCC, Haug said that they would appeal, but did not.
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Originally Posted by ioan
Apologies are offered.
I have sinned and will go lash myself 1,000 times...not my fault, though I did violate the rules, and will also fine myself 22k.... :D
I just got to reading how hamilton was saying it was his best race, how he is going to win WDC next year, stuff from RD about how the gearbox problem was not Hamilton's fault and the pre-race stuff about how he was born to win and so forth....in the process, I accidentally took a sip of kool aid reserved for the Mac crew and benie...and before i knew it...I was hollerring Appeal, Appeal, Benie will "campaign" Max for its success.....then i made the post....
(However, the effects of the kool aid must be wearing off, as I am beginning to wonder how that glitch occurred, when it did and wonder if OUR MAN, THE ONE TRUE HOPE and PROTECTOR OF ENGLISH VIRGINITY stuck it in the wrong gear or what??--opps, I guess I better drink some coffee until the kool aid is all gone from my body....... :eek: )