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17th October 2007, 11:31
ArrowsFA1

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Originally Posted by ioan

Why are the FIA getting involved? What kind of question is that?!

A perfectly reasonable one particularly given that Gracia has said: "I'm convinced that Hamilton and Alonso are going to get exactly the same treatment...I met with Ron Dennis at his request in Madrid this morning and we discussed the season and that meeting confirmed my confidence in him and the team."

The FIA's pretence for getting involved has no foundation.
17th October 2007, 11:43
markabilly

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

A perfectly reasonable one particularly given that Gracia has said: "I'm convinced that Hamilton and Alonso are going to get exactly the same treatment...I met with Ron Dennis at his request in Madrid this morning and we discussed the season and that meeting confirmed my confidence in him and the team."

The FIA's pretence for getting involved has no foundation.

"The FIA's pretence for getting involved has no foundation."

It never did and Maxie knows that .....but the word "pretense" is very correct :D
17th October 2007, 12:00
ioan

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

A perfectly reasonable one particularly given that Gracia has said: "I'm convinced that Hamilton and Alonso are going to get exactly the same treatment...I met with Ron Dennis at his request in Madrid this morning and we discussed the season and that meeting confirmed my confidence in him and the team."

The FIA's pretence for getting involved has no foundation.

Is this the same Gracia that approached the FIA about his concerns not so long ago?

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Originally Posted by Carlos Gracia

I showed my concern over the situation that Fernando is going through, which is no secret, and he reassured me.
The FIA are going to have an official who is going to watch very closely that nothing bad happens to Fernando, above all in qualifying, which is where there have been most complaints or strange situations in recent races.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=33149

Maybe now is clearer why the FIA did what they did!
Because M. Gracia did ask them to do it.
And the fact that now he is saying that he thrusts McLaren is just because of the uproar that has been caused in Britain by a certain Jackie Stewart.

Can we stop now accusing the FIA because they are trying to give a bit of worth to an eventual Hamilton WDC title instead of letting all hell lose when that happens and Alonso throws the toys out of the pram? :rolleyes:
17th October 2007, 12:48
markabilly

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Originally Posted by ioan

..... they (FIA) are trying to give a bit of worth to an eventual Hamilton WDC title instead of letting all hell lose when that happens and Alonso throws the toys out of the pram? :rolleyes:

Seems a little late and a 100 million short for that...sort of like a doctor trying to fixa broken finger on a patient whose head was chopped off months ago....and Alonso is gonna toss, no matter what, even with the WDC crown in his bag.......
17th October 2007, 13:08
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by ioan

Can we stop now accusing the FIA because they are trying to give a bit of worth to an eventual Hamilton WDC title instead of letting all hell lose when that happens and Alonso throws the toys out of the pram? :rolleyes:

Many non-partisan observers of F1 over the years would quite rightly point out that his title doesn't need to have 'worth' added to it.
17th October 2007, 13:09
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

The genie is out of the bottle. Many of us have wondered how such a good driver as LH could inspire such anger. Not everyone that dislikes Lewis is racist but the issue is out in the open (and therefore necessary to debate) because of the Gracia comments

I agree with your assessment.

Also, I'd add that when Gracia refers to his words being taken out of context, he doesn't say that he didn't utter them, nor explain what the context in which they should be taken is.
17th October 2007, 13:09
veeten

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Originally Posted by ioan

I already explained this, but I'll do it again.

The only other way to stop this would have been to DQ both FA and LH from this year's championship when they disqualified the team for cheating, but Bernie wouldn't have been happy about that, so here we are.

ioan's comments all seem to revolve around this, and the fact that he's still grousing over the fact that the FIA didn't give Ferrari all the hardware (WDC & WCC) for this season. They were ajudicated for having the info, not for using it.

get over it, dude...

as for the Spanish Inquisition... er, Federation, it seems that they are more akin to not equal treatment as would be with a mid-pack team, but more the way it was for Schumacher at Ferrari or Alonso's time with Renault. Seems that they, along with Alonso, were looking for a wingman out of Hamilton and not a competitor.

So one does have to wonder, if both drivers are treated 'equally', and Hamilton still outperforms Alonso on the track this weekend, what will they say then? Will they honor the results or continue to make complaints of inequalty, driven mostly by not supporting Alonso to their satisfaction (read not giving him the WDC regardless of the results).

Aquiescing to having FIA officials in their paddock this weekend is more to 'okay we'll do this, now let's get on with the work of winning a race' than any percieved instance of guilt, although some will never be convinced of that no matter what level of information to the contrary is released.
17th October 2007, 13:18
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by veeten

So one does have to wonder, if both drivers are treated 'equally', and Hamilton still outperforms Alonso on the track this weekend, what will they say then? Will they honor the results or continue to make complaints of inequalty, driven mostly by not supporting Alonso to their satisfaction (read not giving him the WDC regardless of the results).

Which, as his reported request to Ron Dennis some way into the season to slow Hamilton down and preferably drop him at the end of the season, is clearly the case as far as Alonso is concerned. To me, this cancels out any sympathy I may have had for his position.

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Originally Posted by veeten

Aquiescing to having FIA officials in their paddock this weekend is more to 'okay we'll do this, now let's get on with the work of winning a race' than any percieved instance of guilt, although some will never be convinced of that no matter what level of information to the contrary is released.

:up:

It has certainly given a boost to the conspiracy theories. Thankfully, when one reads the serious motorsport publications in any country, they ignore such things.
17th October 2007, 14:30
ioan

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Originally Posted by veeten

ioan's comments all seem to revolve around this, and the fact that he's still grousing over the fact that the FIA didn't give Ferrari all the hardware (WDC & WCC) for this season. They were ajudicated for having the info, not for using it.

get over it, dude...

Get over it?

You can't get over the fact that there will be a FIA official in the McLaren garage in a mere try to restore the teams damaged image and you dare ask me to get over the biggest spying incident in F1 ever?! :laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh:
17th October 2007, 14:33
ioan

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

It has certainly given a boost to the conspiracy theories. Thankfully, when one reads the serious motorsport publications in any country, they ignore such things.

Any country means England, Scotland and Ireland?!
Or there are no motorsport publications in other countries? :s

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