The Crane and Lewis

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

K!!, lets look at this from a management perspective. First of all, we have the on site Marshalls, and it is they who will control the operation. If there are cars likely to come off, then OK, let the drivers remain in their cars with the engines switched off, until such time as the Marshalls have information that the race has been red flagged, cars have been instructed to slow right down to a crawl, and they can then make their way out to the cars in a safe manner.

In this particular case, the Marshalls were out there when cars were still coming off left, right and centre, and to make it less safe, a crane was mobilised to move the McLaren back onto the track? I am not sure which drivers were told to depart from their cars, by whom, nor when. As it turned out, one of the cars even hit the crane.

AND I am satisfied that the entire operation was carried out in a less than safe manner. I would go as far as to say that the safety of the Marshalls were put at risk.

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I agree with everything you have written. The funny thing is that no official word has come from the FIA on this. Maybe they can only handle one thing at a time???? ;)

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Originally Posted by wmcot

I agree with everything you have written. The funny thing is that no official word has come from the FIA on this. Maybe they can only handle one thing at a time???? ;)

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It just goes to show the FIA doesn't give a shyte what I say. :(

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

It just goes to show the FIA doesn't give a shyte what I say. :(

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At least you're in good company - they feel the same about millions of F1 fans!!!

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Originally Posted by wmcot

At least you're in good company - they feel the same about millions of F1 fans!!!

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Sometimes I think is quite the opposite. They often bypass justice for the good of the fans alone.

(Money's another matter, but you get the picture)

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

K!!, lets look at this from a management perspective. First of all, we have the on site Marshalls, and it is they who will control the operation. If there are cars likely to come off, then OK, let the drivers remain in their cars with the engines switched off, until such time as the Marshalls have information that the race has been red flagged, cars have been instructed to slow right down to a crawl, and they can then make their way out to the cars in a safe manner.

In this particular case, the Marshalls were out there when cars were still coming off left, right and centre, and to make it less safe, a crane was mobilised to move the McLaren back onto the track? I am not sure which drivers were told to depart from their cars, by whom, nor when. As it turned out, one of the cars even hit the crane.

AND I am satisfied that the entire operation was carried out in a less than safe manner. I would go as far as to say that the safety of the Marshalls were put at risk.

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I would agree with you there. But is it just me, or do the drivers tend to decide when they get out of the car themselves? I remember Mark Webber in the Williams last year at the Hungaroring radioing the team from the car while suspended from a crane.

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Originally Posted by cosmicpanda

I would agree with you there. But is it just me, or do the drivers tend to decide when they get out of the car themselves? I remember Mark Webber in the Williams last year at the Hungaroring radioing the team from the car while suspended from a crane.

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That was Nico. Why wasn't he put back on track?? :p :

^The car was busted.

Autosport are reporting today that the FIA have decided to ban the practice of using the tractor to get a vehicle out of the kitty litter. It seems that their main worry is that it could open up the way to marshels showing favouritism to certain drivers when their is more than one car in the gravel, also, their is the fact that its turning it into a bit of a Playstation game, you go off and get someone to put you back on the track. However, a car in a dangerous position that can still be pushed back onto the track easily (like what happened to Michael Schumacker in '03) will still be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

^The car was busted.

Autosport are reporting today that the FIA have decided to ban the practice of using the tractor to get a vehicle out of the kitty litter. It seems that their main worry is that it could open up the way to marshels showing favouritism to certain drivers when their is more than one car in the gravel, also, their is the fact that its turning it into a bit of a Playstation game, you go off and get someone to put you back on the track. However, a car in a dangerous position that can still be pushed back onto the track easily (like what happened to Michael Schumacker in '03) will still be allowed.

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Wow, I'm glad they clarified the situation and used some common sense in their decision. Chalk up one point for the FIA!

I think that any procedure that will be worked out should be primarily on safety grounds and the favouritism will only be secondary to the safety considerations.

That's a progress we would see they amend to regulation banning tractor taken into action for in accident drivers continue the race.

However tractor is needed if they have made it clear not to continue the race, as carrying that way is the most convenience to spoil the kitty