2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

With that statement, you disqualify yourself from making any political comment, in my opinion. Have you ever encountered an actual socialist or Communist?

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You must recall that in this country since maybe 1946 the word "Communist" is just a 'dirty word' people spit out when they want to insult... I recall in 1st Grade, 1958, I'm what? 6 years old, maybe 7 and in a fight rolling around in the dirt and I pin the guy down and hold his arms so he can't swing...kid's face is bright red and he's so angry ----and most kids at the point even in Texas didn't swear---yet----he can barely speak but he managed to finaly spit out "You---You---- You dirty communist!"

Try and keep in the forefront of your consciousness t polls done many times in the 50s and 60s and 70s where pollsters would show either the Preamble to our Constitution, or the beginning of our Declaration of Independence, to people all over the country and asked people to sign it as a petition...
A preponderance of respondents would refuse and hurl "Communist" and "socialist" at the pollsters..

It was a cliche of the times.

Now we see with most of the Americans who have posted here that there is no difference between Communists, Socialists and Nazis.. "they're all the same".

How is dialog possible with such people?

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

As Mark said, there is a big difference between the two.

Let's educate ourselves correctly when throwing out terms like socialism and communism or any "ism" for that matter.

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Yes, we definitely should. I blame it on the failure of the American educational system. Not only are our younger people unable to perform at a global level in math and science, we also do a very bad job teaching them civics and government. People in the U.S., especially those of certain political persuasions, have a tendency to throw around rather nonsensical terms based solely on engrained fears that they have.

As far as Obama, I know for a fact that he is a Reptilian Moon Jew. And if he gets another term, he'll build camps and lock all of us away so that his Reptilian Moon Jew comrades can then come and eat us. We will be assimilated! And annihilated. And eviscerated! It's true! Tell your friends! Stranger Danger! Stranger Danger! :eek:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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:laugh: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the result of our underfunded education.

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Mr. President....Attacking US Embassies is an act of war and you are doing nothing to defend them or America.

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You're lying. Obama has sent more Marines to embassies in the Middle East and routed destroyers near Libya to protect our interests.

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And in America, we all know his failures here...

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Here we go...

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1. Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
2. Unemployment higher than ever
3. Oil Prices high
4. Ruining the healthcare system
5. Lack of Military Support
6. Not defending our borders
7. Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
8. Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-

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1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

2. Ever? Really?! I'm glad those Depression Era kids aren't reading that little low-light of yours. If it wasn't for the American Reinvesting and Recovery Act, then millions more would be unemployed, unable to pay their mortgages, and feed their kids.

3. No President can take control over this.

4. Ruining? Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of 20-something kids fresh out of college who are thanking Obama for the passage of his healthcare reforms since they can't get a job (due to greedy companies piling money and not hiring), and have zero benefits. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enabled these kids to actually have a fighting chance to be part of their parent's health care until 26 and not get kicked out by insurance companies due to a pre-existing condition.

5. I'm not sure what you mean. Hauling America troops out of Iraq? Yeah, thanks. Enough of that quagmire.

6. Uh oh. Here come those invading Canadians.

7. Well, America has a hypocrisy about this that I still don't understand. America needs workers and at the same time wants to kick those workers out its territory. I'm with you on kicking illegal immigrants out of America, but not for the same reasons. I want illegal immigrants to be kicked out so Americans can happily go pick their own crops, clean up their own trash, and make their own food. Think prices are high now? It's nothing compared to how it's going to be when American demand more than minimum wage to do mundane jobs and benefits.

8. You're blaming Obama for this? Laff!

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I could go on and on but I wont. America will fall if he stays in office another 4 years. I am a veteran and to see this country being destroyed by him is very upsetting and depressing.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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:laugh: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the result of our underfunded public education system.

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Mr. President....Attacking US Embassies is an act of war and you are doing nothing to defend them or America.

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You're lying. Obama has sent more Marines to embassies in the Middle East and routed destroyers near Libya to protect our interests.

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And in America, we all know his failures here...

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Here we go...

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1. Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
2. Unemployment higher than ever
3. Oil Prices high
4. Ruining the healthcare system
5. Lack of Military Support
6. Not defending our borders
7. Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
8. Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-

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1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

2. Ever? Really?! I'm glad those Depression Era kids aren't reading that little low-light of yours. If it wasn't for the American Reinvesting and Recovery Act, then millions more would be unemployed, unable to pay their mortgages, and feed their kids.

3. No President can take control over this.

4. Ruining? Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of 20-something kids fresh out of college who are thanking Obama for the passage of his healthcare reforms since they can't get a job (due to greedy companies piling money and not hiring), and have zero benefits. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enabled these kids to actually have a fighting chance to be part of their parent's health care until 26 and not get kicked out by insurance companies due to a pre-existing condition.

5. I'm not sure what you mean. Hauling American troops out of Iraq? Yeah, thanks. Enough of that quagmire.

6. Uh oh. Here come those invading Canadians.

7. Well, America has a hypocrisy about this that I still don't understand. America needs workers and at the same time wants to kick those workers out its territory. I'm with you on kicking illegal immigrants out of America, but not for the same reasons. I want illegal immigrants to be kicked out so Americans can happily go pick their own crops, clean up their own trash, and make their own food. Think prices are high now? It's nothing compared to how it's going to be when Americans demand more than minimum wage and benefits to do a mundane job.

8. You're blaming Obama for this? He had nothing to do with the lowering of America's credit rating.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

Now we see with most of the Americans who have posted here that there is no difference between Communists, Socialists and Nazis.. "they're all the same".

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Heh, in the last 40 years I think there's been a big effort to get 'liberals' in there, because liberty is an opposition to the status quo when it comes to equal rights. In the last ten 'progressive' has been added since conservatism by it's nature is opposed to any kind of change, even when it's beneficial.

Ohio's slipping away as is Virginia. Rmoney's not looking so hot to anyone but the nuts who themselves don't really like him, since they put Mormons in the same boat the Iranian government puts anyone associated with the Baha'i.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

:laugh: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the result of our underfunded public education system.

You're lying. Obama has sent more Marines to embassies in the Middle East and routed destroyers near Libya to protect our interests.


Here we go...

1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

2. Ever? Really?! I'm glad those Depression Era kids aren't reading that little low-light of yours. If it wasn't for the American Reinvesting and Recovery Act, then millions more would be unemployed, unable to pay their mortgages, and feed their kids.

3. No President can take control over this.

4. Ruining? Depends on who you ask. There are plenty of 20-something kids fresh out of college who are thanking Obama for the passage of his healthcare reforms since they can't get a job (due to greedy companies piling money and not hiring), and have zero benefits. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act enabled these kids to actually have a fighting chance to be part of their parent's health care until 26 and not get kicked out by insurance companies due to a pre-existing condition.

5. I'm not sure what you mean. Hauling American troops out of Iraq? Yeah, thanks. Enough of that quagmire.

6. Uh oh. Here come those invading Canadians.

7. Well, America has a hypocrisy about this that I still don't understand. America needs workers and at the same time wants to kick those workers out its territory. I'm with you on kicking illegal immigrants out of America, but not for the same reasons. I want illegal immigrants to be kicked out so Americans can happily go pick their own crops, clean up their own trash, and make their own food. Think prices are high now? It's nothing compared to how it's going to be when Americans demand more than minimum wage and benefits to do a mundane job.

8. You're blaming Obama for this? He had nothing to do with the lowering of America's credit rating.

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Thank you. Point by point every single thing was not just false but ridiculous...and easily disproved
Obama has his failings and one is thinking just because he is so much smarter than the "other side' that he could use logic and reasoning and negotiate with them like all reasonable people do with other reasonable people...
Huge mistake and one based on either ego in thinking he could convince them or something else.

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Originally Posted by Gregor-y

Heh, in the last 40 years I think there's been a big effort to get 'liberals' in there, because liberty is an opposition to the status quo when it comes to equal rights. In the last ten 'progressive' has been added since conservatism by it's nature is opposed to any kind of change, even when it's beneficial.

Ohio's slipping away as is Virginia. Rmoney's not looking so hot to anyone but the nuts who themselves don't really like him, since they put Mormons in the same boat the Iranian government puts anyone associated with the Baha'i.

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Yep. But still the pivot is Florida. Obama may do OK in Florida but there's an awful lot of the place that's more like "Flar-duh" and they have a long record of voter suppression and ballot tampering with evident impunity. Violating the law seems to be a long habit there.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

1. Obama inherited two wars and a financial meltdown. War is expensive and if you can't foot the bill, then don't pick a fight.

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Exactly.

I would also like to add that there would be much less animosity between Western countries (namely, the US) and the Middle East if there wasn't any meddling in foreign territories. This extends to aid to Israel - Israel are more than capable of defending themselves from any perceived threat without the USA becoming involved.

All this simply does is fuel extremism and give hardline Islamic extremists ammunition to indoctrinate their children with. Speaking of indoctrinated, explaining any dislike of the US by foreign countries with "they hate our freedoms" as an open-and-shut case is a moronic oversimplification and is one of the reasons why people continue to vote for candidates with bellicose foreign policies, and hence a reason why these conflicts keep happening.

foreign aid is expensive - get rid of it !!!

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Originally Posted by Roamy

foreign aid is expensive - get rid of it !!!

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Furrin aid, like all aid, sometimes, when carefully done, is a good investment in peace. We did it once...and where we did and encouraged real democracy, there has been peace for 67 years.
For the first time in recorded history..

But the way we normally do it, where the aid is structured implicitly to benefit some huge US corporation, and the "host country" possibly not even seeing a penny of cash*, forget it.

Where ever you stand, its worth a read --a quick read---of the details of how this works as direct transfers to Corporations with "connections" have a look at "Confessions of an Economic Hitman"..

. sure its broad and some have picked at it, but compare what he says is the mechanism of gaining control with how things we've all seen again and again have gone everywhere that gets ensnared by foreign aid---be it US, or French of whatever..Easy "aid" then debt burden followed by IMF and the World Bank, debt "restructuring and wide open borders for foreign investments and monopolies.