Government is evil...

The second lot are nothing to do with Laws and morals apart from the Father and Mother one. Does anyone still observe the second 5 apart from the parents?

So, it seems the word of God on the most important story in the bible, where this God actually provided evidence of his existence (which has been lost :rolleyes: ) isn't followed by supposed Christians :laugh:

Talk about hypocrisy

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So now that I am absolutely clear on your opinion, sometimes I have trouble deciphering your answers, sorry. Can you please answer the questions I asked of you earlier ... Would it be ok under your philosophy for there to be an amendment to the US Constitution that allows for all all men named Bob to be enslaved? And secondly, you stated that there is a "right of revolution" (which I agree with actually), but where is that stated in your philosophy?

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They can attempt to amend the Constitution for what ever they like. Whether I like the amendment or not has zero to do with their ability to attempt an amendment.

If society agrees to the point that such an amendment passes, the we Bobs of the world would kill the *******s till one of us ceased to exist, or maybe move to Liberia.

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But it does, in it's own way. The rights of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happyness (or Property)** can be seen in Commandments 5-10. Those Commandments expressly protect Life and Property, and Liberty is implicit outside effecting someone else's Life or Property.

**these are not actually in the Constitution, but I would say they heavily influenced our founding and our government.



Now days what part of life is the government not involved in? :D

Again, if there are no absolute rights, if they are all based on what a government tells you you have the right to do, then the government can very easily take those rights away. And under this philosophy of government given rights the individual would not have any reason to protest a perceved injustice, because what standard do you measure justice against at that point.

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These are not rights, these are God's COMMANDS. Failure to obey, gave God the right to send you to hell, as the one deliberately disobeying was not exercising a right, he was deliberately disobeying a basic command.
If you are going to try to call these the basis for some rights; tell me what happened when Moses came off of the mountain with the first set of Commandments.

I see no where in the U.S. Bill of Rights where failure to accept them causes instant death.

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They can attempt to amend the Constitution for what ever they like. Whether I like the amendment or not has zero to do with their ability to attempt an amendment.

If society agrees to the point that such an amendment passes, the we Bobs of the world would kill the *******s till one of us ceased to exist, or maybe move to Liberia.

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But according to you whatever the government decides is just fine and dandy. They took away your right to life. Therefore you no longer have the right to defend yourself. By what right do you find justice in killing the ****'s?

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These are not rights, these are God's COMMANDS. Failure to obey, gave God the right to send you to hell, as the one deliberately disobeying was not exercising a right, he was deliberately disobeying a basic command.
If you are going to try to call these the basis for some rights; tell me what happened when Moses came off of the mountain with the first set of Commandments.

I see no where in the U.S. Bill of Rights where failure to accept them causes instant death.

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So God telling man A to respect man B's right to life, by not murdering him, is not God defining man's rights?

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So God telling man A to respect man B's right to life, by not murdering him, is not God defining man's rights?

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This is what I don't understand. You say that your God says you shouldn't Murder yet as a Nation you defend the taking of life at the drop of a hat whether it's in Iraq, Afghanistan, Death Row or shooting some punk kid because he 'might' have mugged you.

Or are your Gods laws only sacrosanct when it's convenient?

That's not specific to the USA. Thats been the case in most human society since the beginning of time!

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But according to you whatever the government decides is just fine and dandy. They took away your right to life. Therefore you no longer have the right to defend yourself. By what right do you find justice in killing the ****'s?

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My justice, my way.

Justice and lwas are not always the same thing.

Just as the Colonies did with the British.

They had what ever rights British Citizens had, but prefered to create their own sets of rights.

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So God telling man A to respect man B's right to life, by not murdering him, is not God defining man's rights?

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The man has no right to life; the man lives under the authority that says for one to murder his is an evil act punishable by death.

If the man acts in a manner that one finds threatening, under God's law, one has the right to terminate the life of the offender. (As I said earlier, if the offending man breaks in at night, one can kill him and do the happy dance without having sinned.)
Would you call that the right to kill?

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This is what I don't understand. You say that your God says you shouldn't Murder yet as a Nation you defend the taking of life at the drop of a hat whether it's in Iraq, Afghanistan, Death Row or shooting some punk kid because he 'might' have mugged you.

Or are your Gods laws only sacrosanct when it's convenient?

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God said do not commit murder, he did not say do not kill.

God says that killing is fine under many circumstances.
When Abrahams outpost was raided, God said go out and kill them and get your property back, just do not take anything of theirs as your own.