4 degrees of camber

To the press , Newey stated something like "not much , maybe an eighth or so" , and later , I have read it was 4.3 .

With a little more info , having just seen then drop the level just a quarter of a degree , for safety sake , from 3.5 to 3.25 , it lets us see it in a clearer view .
The difference over , that the Bulls were running was , in fact , pretty significant . Newey well understated the overage to the press , trying to push the blame onto the tires .

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Are you suggesting Vettel and Webber were not looking after their tyres on the 3 lap qualifying run and had effectively ruined their tyres before the race had even started? Is that what you think all this fuss was about???

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Suggesting, nope, that´s you. The whole issue is a no one created of people...... And lets see, this year he´s out, next year is rise or the verdict is out.

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Who is he? and what do you mean "he's out"????????
You said drivers were responsible for looking after their tyres and I wondered how that was relevant to the Red Bull/Pirelli tyre issue????

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The issue, what issue, but that on the other hand could be a issue for you, if it isn´t already.

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I really don't understand your problem with Pirelli at all??? :confused:

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Originally Posted by The Black Knight

I don't think that even ioan understands his problem with Pirelli. Declaring Pirelli to be the FIA's children, eludes to a pretty warped understanding of the purpose rubber serves even in a domestic sense :p :

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I think Ioan worked for Pirelli and was sacked when his radical new idea for a tyre compound was deemed inferior to the other Pirelli lines.

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Thats the way I read it too and was a little annoyed by their admission that they believed their drivers were at great risk. If they truly believed they were at such a risk I think they would have pitted both drivers for prime tyres rather than putting them back out on options during the first stop. It suggested to me Red Bull were more concerned about the disadvantage their setup had during the race, but it ended up working for them. Newey seemed genuinely concerned after the race but who knows if they had to carry on the concern because the safety card had been played? Pirelli have taken action for Monza and issued an official limit recommendation, and its purely in the teams court now to decide how they interpret this IMO.

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As I recall they split the tire stategy , putting Vettel back on softs , and Webber on to primes .

That was a risk , but maybe not as much as it seemed , as the car would use the tires much differently on heavy fuel . They pitted them early enough , to deal with the scorched remains of quals .

One must assume that the camber maximums would apply to the hard tires , too , and since Newey was concerned about the drivers coming home at all , we must assume Pirelli would have concerns about the high camber levels affecting the construction of even the primes , since they would need to be of the same basic construction , in different compounds , to be relevent in set-up .


I believe they either need to regulate this , or leave it alone entirely .

Had the camber settings been adhered to , we would have Pirelli re-designing tires right away , or dropping the degree of camber angle , as they have seen fit to do already , despite the admission fron the Bulls .

If they re-design , to fit with more radical camber angles , the teams will only push farther into the unknown , making the issue a vicious circle , with the eventuality being that the safety will be compromised at some point to a much higher degree .

If they issue lower maximums , the teams will treat them as such , and push the envelope even more than Newey did in the last race , knowing it's low to start with .



I'd think that , rather than regulate , that they should have all learned a lesson here .

Newey , hopefully was scared enough to not risk another run so close to the edge .

And , Pirelli now , hopefully understands they need not panic until all information is in , as they swim among sharks .



Hey , maybe they could publish the angle of anyone above the recommended max .

Are we still going on about this?

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What? Are you even aware of what this thread is about and what we were discussing?

I have never known someone take part in so many threads and have so little to say that is relevant. I'm almost lost for words here?? :confused:

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I´m not suprised.

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What? Are you even aware of what this thread is about and what we were discussing?

I have never known someone take part in so many threads and have so little to say that is relevant. I'm almost lost for words here?? :confused:

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"is relevant" And yours are? Your opinion? It´s easy to make a as ....le of himself. Is it two years now and you are still h...e. Please continiou in the same way, at least it gives a laugh.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

"is relevant" And yours are? Your opinion? It´s easy to make a as ....le of himself. Is it two years now and you are still h...e. Please continiou in the same way, at least it gives a laugh.

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He is here 3 years 7 months from what I can tell.

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Originally Posted by Mia 01

"is relevant" And yours are? Your opinion? It´s easy to make a as ....le of himself. Is it two years now and you are still h...e. Please continiou in the same way, at least it gives a laugh.

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Sorry don't quite understand most of your posts Mia.