yes but most or ALL of these were due to loeb losing time being first on the road and not due to orders...be serious.
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yes but most or ALL of these were due to loeb losing time being first on the road and not due to orders...be serious.
Sure.. None other Citroen driver ever imagined they could slow down on day 1 to get a favorable road position and a realistic chance to win. Not until Ogier. I guess he must have an IQ twice the level of his predecessors. Though only after mid-2010 season. Well anyway, it was a great idea when it finally came to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
The fact is you don't ever play tactic unfavorable to your teammate Loeb unless it's clearly communicated you are free to do so. Only one driver got that message.
It's not to take anything away from Loebs talent or genius. But to think that he would have as many victories without this practice is just silly. It has earned him some victories, and at least one or two titles. It's all fair game, this is motorsport.
ok not worth the time anymore....Quote:
Originally Posted by bretddog
Next year its retirment home for your boy and since none is coming from behind we are going to have less and less of such comments as years pass by....
I can wait.
Your such a sad losing creature. Just do yourself a favor and shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
well, no top driver from Greece ever and it ain't stopping your noncence.....Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Did you look at the stage times? I am sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Remember the Citroens have 2:00 mins, approx, to give, a certainly insurmountable time with the number of stages left, at their skill level, unless a problem occurs.
Stage 11 Ogier beats Loeb
1. 2 S. OGIER 6:09.1 0.0 0.0
2. 4 J. LATVALA 6:10.3 +1.2 +1.2
3. 3 M. HIRVONEN 6:12.1 +1.8 +3.0
4. 1 S. LOEB 6:12.6 +0.5 +3.5
Stage 12 Loeb barely beats Mikko and Ogier is barely beaten by Mikko
1. 1 S. LOEB 8:23.8 0.0 0.0
2. 3 M. HIRVONEN 8:25.5 +1.7 +1.7
3. 2 S. OGIER 8:25.9 +0.4 +2.1
4. 4 J. LATVALA 8:26.1 +0.2 +2.3
Stage 13 Less than a second behind Loeb
1. 1 S. LOEB 8:36.5 0.0 0.0
2. 2 S. OGIER 8:36.9 +0.4 +0.4
3. 3 M. HIRVONEN 8:39.9 +3.0 +3.4
4. 37 D. SORDO 8:40.1 +0.2 +3.6
Stage 14 Loeb gets puncture
Compare SS8 and SS12, Bosenberg, Ogier posts almost the same exact time as before supposed team orders are made.
Compare SS9 and SS13, Birkenfelder, Loeb slows again in the afternoon slightly but Ogier stays within less than a second.
Argh, it's premium content so I can't see it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Xsara Fan
not sure that this the way to go. it seems that having to sweep the road is a necessary handicap so that others that are slower have a better chance. how interesting, for us to spectate, is it going to be having the leader get favourable road position each day too? loeb wins by 10 minutes1Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat
my fix would rather be that the slowing down in a stage for tactical reasons be penalized. It could be easily determined in my opinion by looking at in car telemetry. not like european football where everytime a player takes a dive, nothing is done but like in american hockey, where diving is always penalized.
add a truly painful penalty, say 4 or 5 minutes, to any driver determined to be sandbagging. like nascar who has as official at each pit stall you can also determine if coming late out of the pits, etc, was done on purpose as well. heck if you are the leader at the beginning of a day and you are late out of the garage then you automatically get the painfull penalty.