Pirelli

^^^ perhaps so, but every tyre company I can remember supplying F1 (or any competitive series) has had duff tyres - some you could call dangerous like those Michelin's you mentioned back in '05. But you could also add Bridgestone's uncompetetive year in that same season to the list, or Kimi's tyre failing completely at the ring, or Goodyears poor '98 season etc etc etc.

What I'm trying to say (perhaps inelegantly) is that these are competition tyres and whether die hard fans, or joe public, we are intelligent enough to realise that just because a Pirelli race 'hard' lasts 50 miles tops, we are not only going to get three trips to tesco's if we buy road P's. And they will not blow at Motorway speeds.

That said, if Bridgestone were here I have no doubt they would be kicking Pirelli to the kerb. But this isn't a tyre war, which means the sole supplier can produce whatever they like as long as it gives us what we want on the track - competition.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But it shows a lack of ability. Imagine if a manufacturer made a sporty branded tyre and an eco branded tyre in the same size and the only difference between them was that the eco tyre wasn't as grippy but still wore out as quickly and used as much fuel? Why would you buy the eco branded tyre? At least with bridgestone there were points in the race where the hard could be the quicker and points where the soft could be the quicker.

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Yes but I'm saying the average person who doesn't visit motorsport forums - i.e. not you! Doesn't know that the soft vs hards aren't entirely consistent, and they don't care, they just know that the racing is good this year and that's party down to the Pirelli tyres - end of story.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I don't trust Pirelli after their crap performance in the WRC against Michelin which more or less cost Petter or Chris any chance of being competitive when they still had a decent car.... When your tyres start to delaminate because it's 5 degrees warmed than what you expected then I think you're a very poor tyremaker and don't deserve to be competing at the highest level.

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Yes, and as for "excellent racing" well you could just put used street tires from small cars, and that would make it even more "exciting"

Clearly cars on fresh rubber, just stomp cars that are on used rubber, even without the DRS, due to the added traction coming out of the corners.

The car with newer rubber, just catches up on exit, where what should be happening is the "constantino effect" (yeah I kno I mispelt it), but that is where the gap widens greatly upon exit from a corner because the car in front is going faster and accelerating first. The actual time gap between the two cars is the same, but the speed is not, so the distance gap appears to widen.

However, you can see that is not happening when the car behind is on fresh rubbers.


Not to bad mouth too much, and give credit where it is due, they have done a good job considering that they jumped in cold, without the experience of a goodyear, bridgestone or michellin....


But as I posted elsewhere....well, speaking of the advantages of used v. fresh rubbers

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Originally Posted by markabilly

OH, Yeah


speaking of used rubber, reminds me of the time donkey and his bud were out in the country and approached by a sweet thing.

She said let's get it on....they said, "well, yes mam".

she said, "but I don't want to get preganent, so you got to wear this" and hands out one for each.

They put it on, and then they get it on.

About four months later, after she is gone, they get to talking.

One asks the other, "do you really care if she gets preganant?"

The other says, "well no I do not."

So the others say, "me neither, so why don't we take these old rubbers off......




Some folks along pit wall need to remember to take the old rubbers off earlier than later.....

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:s mokin:

(yeah, DonKey, I be talkin about you)

Pirelli have done a great job so far :up:

Keep it up chaps :)

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Originally Posted by Sonic

...or Kimi's tyre failing completely at the ring...

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That was a suspension failure.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Yes but I'm saying the average person who doesn't visit motorsport forums - i.e. not you! Doesn't know that the soft vs hards aren't entirely consistent, and they don't care, they just know that the racing is good this year and that's party down to the Pirelli tyres - end of story.

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The commentators are making it clear to the average Joe every 30 seconds as soon as someone is driving on harder tires, no need for the average Joe to stress his brain at all.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

the "constantino effect" (yeah I kno I mispelt it)

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I don't know if we can even call it misspellt given that it is the 'concertina' effect. ;)

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Originally Posted by ioan

That was a suspension failure.

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Caused by driving on a tyre with a serious flatspot.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I don't know if we can even call it misspellt given that it is the 'concertina' effect. ;)

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Concertina? I thought it was an F1 car, not a sales rep's Ford! ;)

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Caused by driving on a tyre with a serious flatspot.

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Glad someone else remembered :)