Team orders at Ferrari

Fines mean nothing at all. Disqualification was the only punishment which would mean anything.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

No. Money buys wins. That's the moral of today's story, children. You can cheat so long as you're rich.

A report is being sent to the World Motorsport Council, but result unchanged... for now.

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Where is Max when you need him?

For perspective, the fine was one-tenth of the £1 million they were fined in 2002 when team orders per se weren't illegal, but they breached podium etiquette.

about as effective as wheeling in Julian Clary to say "ooh, you naughty boys, don't do it again or i'll spank you"

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

$100,000 fine

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I hope that is your comment rather than the outcome!

If it really is a $100k fine the stewards have failed in their responsibility to uphold the rules.

Come on McLaren, Red Bull , .......anyone apart from Alonso now

WT

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Originally Posted by Wasted Talent

Only Massa and Smedley come out with any credit - exposing the truth and then bowing to the inevitable team-speak

WT

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They shouldn't have given in.
Sooner or later, I suspect sooner, they will both be pushed out anyway.
Once you bend over you lose your integrity both in your and your boss' eyes and he will not want you around anymore once this happens, for plenty of reasons.

100,000?
So that's the equivalent of a roll of toilet paper for us?
The minimum should have been total disqualification from the race for both driver and team and probation till the end of the season.

What a joke.

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Originally Posted by Wasted Talent

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Agreed (again!!). On BBC digital Eddie Jordan has said quite clearly that when he gave team orders at Spa to stop Ralf overtaking Damon he was the one who told Ralf - not expecting the engineer to do the dirty work

Do Ferrari management really think they don't just look like the bunch of cheap liars that they are?

Only Massa and Smedley come out with any credit - exposing the truth and then bowing to the inevitable team-speak

WT

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DC said the same during the race too, Denis made the calls not his engineer.

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Originally Posted by Koz

DC said the same during the race too, Denis made the calls not his engineer.

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This means that Domenicali is not only a crappy team manager but also the biggest coward on the pit wall.

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

This is, for much of the Schumacher era team orders weren't outlawed. Sure they were unpleasant, but until the aftermath of Austria 2002 they were permitted. Alonso whines about "munipulated races" but is quite happy to benefit from Ferrari's munipulation of this one - and that makes him a hypocrite.

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for sure, but I suspicion the real problem was or is how stupid ferrari was about this.....Smedley must have caught hell from Stevo and Luca

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So Freddie is smiling and leaving the meeting with high fives and massa is looking as glum as ever, as though he just did hari-kari for good of the team......so now they have to say massa is a liar when he was in the meeting with the stewards to punish anyone or they can just accept it and move on. My guess is the latter :rolleyes:


as to the team orders, forget not when Jensen was told to save fuel so as to stop the tusssle between him and Lewis....and I am sure there have been other such moments with other teams, but they are just not have been as stupid as ferrari.

Put the big body slam on them and this might stop even the more subtle games....outside of Singapore, I can not think of one time there has been a penalty :confused:

If You want to penalize everybody You should remember that Felipe Massa is adult man, who made decision to gave away his place to Alonso. Team wasn't asking for it, Alonso wasn't asking for it. They only told him that he is slower. Massa made a decision. He's not a child, slave or a dog. He has his own intellect, reason, understanding ability and free will.

He did it, because he wanted to. End of story. ;p