Lars Vilks gets the muslim free speech treatment

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20th May 2010, 01:47
Rollo

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Originally Posted by Camelopard

Do you have any direct evidence that they were suffering persecution in Arabic countries prior to 1947?

The Farhud pogrom which was exacted in Iraq in 1941, saw c.350 Jews killed, the synagogue destroyed and about $3 million in property damage of Jewish owned properties.

There was a planned deportation of Jews from East Thrace (in Turkey) which failed and resulted anti-Jewish pogrom in 1934.

In Yemen in 1919, the Zaydi enforced a statute in which if attacked with stones or fists by a Muslim, a Jew was not allowed to defend themselves.

I could provide links to all sorts of things, but are you going to read them? Probably not.
20th May 2010, 05:53
Eki

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The Farhud pogrom which was exacted in Iraq in 1941, saw c.350 Jews killed, the synagogue destroyed and about $3 million in property damage of Jewish owned properties.

There was a planned deportation of Jews from East Thrace (in Turkey) which failed and resulted anti-Jewish pogrom in 1934.

In Yemen in 1919, the Zaydi enforced a statute in which if attacked with stones or fists by a Muslim, a Jew was not allowed to defend themselves.

I could provide links to all sorts of things, but are you going to read them? Probably not.

Why are you talking about "ancient" history when we are talking about more recent immigration? There have not been many Jews left in the Arab countries who have emigrated to Israel. The 800,000 you mentioned are only fraction of the Jews currently in Israel. Most Jews who have emigrated to Israel have been and are from the US and Europe, especially from Eastern Europe in the last two decades. The ones from the US seem to be most militant of them.
20th May 2010, 12:46
chuck34

Eki, so now you're against immigration of Jews to Israel? Why? Are you also against immigration of more Arabs there? You point out that unemployment is high in the "Arab" areas, especially when compared to the rest of the country. So wouldn't the logical follow-on be that it is the Arabs that there are too many of? Or perhaps it's just that the economies in the "Palestinian" controled areas is so badly managed that that is the reason for the unemployment. What is Israel supposed to do about a badly managed economy in areas that they aren't trying to control (Gaza) or have a very limited role in (West Bank). And those are also the areas in which YOU are always railing against Israeli "interference".

For consistency's sake Eki, just admit that you hate Jews, oppose anything they do, and don't think that Israel should be a country. That way your arguments will at least have some consistency to them. Instead of trying to jump through all kinds of hoops to try and make some sort of sence.
20th May 2010, 12:49
Eki

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Eki, so now you're against immigration of Jews to Israel? Why? Are you also against immigration of more Arabs there?

Yes, if they make the living of those who already live there more difficult. I don't care about religion or ethnicity. I just want fair and sensible immigration policy based on practicality and need that doesn't favor or discriminate against anyone based on religion or ethnicity.
20th May 2010, 13:00
Eki

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Originally Posted by chuck34

You point out that unemployment is high in the "Arab" areas, especially when compared to the rest of the country. So wouldn't the logical follow-on be that it is the Arabs that there are too many of?

Yes, that's because the Jews have squeezed the Arabs out of their homes into small barren areas that don't support that many people. Just like European immigrants in the US squeezed the Native Americans into reservations built on land the European settlers didn't want.

Furthermore, Israelis often forbid Palestinians working in Israel to enter Israel and their workplace claiming they're a "security risk", especially if you're an under 40 year old male. Some even want to build a wall around the Palestinians.

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For consistency's sake Eki, just admit that you hate Jews,

Hate Jews? I don't hate the Jews, I don't even know any Jews. I'm not even sure if I have ever met a Jew. They don't affect my life in any way, so why would I hate them?

Next you'll probably claim that I hate Europeans because I said they squeezed the Native Americans into reservations.
20th May 2010, 13:24
Eki

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Originally Posted by chuck34

For consistency's sake Eki, just admit that you hate Jews,

Why don't you just admit that you hate the Arabs, the Palestinians and the Muslims in general?

There seems to be only 14% Muslims in Israel, but 98.7% in Gaza:

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm

Do you think that's by accident and not because of segregation?
20th May 2010, 17:05
chuck34

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Originally Posted by Eki

Yes, if they make the living of those who already live there more difficult. I don't care about religion or ethnicity. I just want fair and sensible immigration policy based on practicality and need that doesn't favor or discriminate against anyone based on religion or ethnicity.

So now no one can live anywhere they want, they can only move if they are "needed"? And who, pray tell, decides if someone is needed or not?
20th May 2010, 17:09
chuck34

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Originally Posted by Eki

Yes, that's because the Jews have squeezed the Arabs out of their homes into small barren areas that don't support that many people. Just like European immigrants in the US squeezed the Native Americans into reservations built on land the European settlers didn't want.

Have there been any forced relocations of Arabs? And why do they go to "small barren" areas, why not other Arab nations? How was the economy of the region prior to it being a Jewish State?

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Originally Posted by Eki

Furthermore, Israelis often forbid Palestinians working in Israel to enter Israel and their workplace claiming they're a "security risk", especially if you're an under 40 year old male. Some even want to build a wall around the Palestinians.

Perhaps if they would stop blowing up busses and the like, those extreme measures wouldn't be necessary.

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Originally Posted by Eki

Hate Jews? I don't hate the Jews, I don't even know any Jews. I'm not even sure if I have ever met a Jew. They don't affect my life in any way, so why would I hate them?

The fact that you seem to believe everything they do is wrong, and that the "Palistinians" can do no wrong sure seems to point to hatred to me.
20th May 2010, 17:12
chuck34

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Originally Posted by Eki

Why don't you just admit that you hate the Arabs, the Palestinians and the Muslims in general?

Show me where I have a pattern of ALWAYS opposing what Arabs do (as you do with Israelis).

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Originally Posted by Eki

There seems to be only 14% Muslims in Israel, but 98.7% in Gaza:

http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm

Do you think that's by accident and not because of segregation?

Neither accident nor segregation. I would put it down more to choice. Why don't they move to other Arab nations around them, if they are so "un-fairly" treated in Israel?
20th May 2010, 17:30
Eki

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So now no one can live anywhere they want, they can only move if they are "needed"?

It's reality already everywhere. For example not everybody can move to the US even if they'd want to. That's why there are illegal immigrants. Have you heard about illegal immigrants in the US?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

And who, pray tell, decides if someone is needed or not?

Here the immigration officials do.

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