Glock/Toyota paid off to slow on the last lap?[merged]

I remember once, a few years ago in the South of France at my then local Kart track, it began to rain before the start of a club championship race.

Most drivers opted to put wets on.

I gambled on staying on slicks, since the rain was not heavy and I could see a break in the clouds coming in.

There I was, thinking that this would be a moment of tactical genius that would live long in the annals of the Saint Cyprien Kart Track history.

Well, I did think that until the start.

The wind dropped, the rain kept falling and I don't think I dared touch the throttle at all after my opening lap, which I had spent the best part of understeering in tyres.

Conclusion -

Slicks on a wet track don't work.

No conspiracy.

Just hard luck on Massa, who would have been a truly deserved champion.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Slicks on a wet track don't work.

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No one told that to Michael Schumacher at Spa in 1995

But slicks and grooved slicks behave in totally different ways, its been mentioned so many times in wet/dry races!

Hold on a minute !

Let's take stock here .
We have someone who just prompted all these guys in the F1 paddock , including those directly involved in the final gripping championship moments , to comment on his conjecture on this forum , in our midst .

Thanks , Bowers .
It's been fun to look at this .

You didn't deserve the hassle some gave you , but , with the season full of controversy as it has been , I think you might understand from where all the frustration at the mere thought of your controversy theory comes .



Myself , I thought the sticky point was going to be that issue Lewis had with replacing the steering wheel .
Hey , come to think of it , maybe that guy who insisted that Lewis get it back in place was from Toyota , to make sure Glock and his team got the payout for doing the deed in the final moments .
Damn , that's it . No wonder everyone is paying so much attention to this , and running around denying , when it was only a mere thread on some obscure F1 website , of which there are hundreds , maybe thousands .

OK , maybe not .

Thanks , Bowers .
It's been fun .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Hold on a minute !

Let's take stock here .
We have someone who just prompted all these guys in the F1 paddock , including those directly involved in the final gripping championship moments , to comment on his conjecture on this forum , in our midst .

Thanks , Bowers .
It's been fun to look at this .

You didn't deserve the hassle some gave you , but , with the season full of controversy as it has been , I think you might understand from where all the frustration at the mere thought of your controversy theory comes .



Myself , I thought the sticky point was going to be that issue Lewis had with replacing the steering wheel .
Hey , come to think of it , maybe that guy who insisted that Lewis get it back in place was from Toyota , to make sure Glock and his team got the payout for doing the deed in the final moments .
Damn , that's it . No wonder everyone is paying so much attention to this , and running around denying , when it was only a mere thread on some obscure F1 website , of which there are hundreds , maybe thousands .

OK , maybe not .

Thanks , Bowers .
It's been fun .

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Well I appreciate the laid back attitude, and it really is something more people need take to heart (and I sometimes lose track of that).

It was a mere suggestion (that has become almost a movement now), and to some F1 fans, just suggesting this may have happened is worthy of saying something like "you know nothing about racing" or whatever. I'm pretty pleased with my motorsports knowledge, I even race stock cars myself so it's amusing when people say such things to me... just so happens a number of people love to say it (it's the easiest way out of a discussion... the thing little kids do in the sandbox)

The "Glock-gate" theory is more a business based conspiracy than a racing based theory. It has little or nothing to do with racing actually and is based more around dollars or some other form of power (for example knowledge). Some may disagree and think it's an entirely racing issue, but that has less of a basis than one solely based on the business aspects of F1. If you are in agreeance to the theory (which I actually am not) it doesn't mean you don't know anything about racing... it's the people that didn't question it for 1 second that actually don't seem to know much about F1 as a business.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

Really?




The FACT that a conspiracy took place?

while you're googling through a dictionary, run this word through it...

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Wow you are really just aching for an argument aren't you... hmm... it was fairly obvious what I meant (as Daniel said, it could've been worded better but you obviously can see the point I was making). If you want to disect my sentences for your arguments go right ahead, it only makes me look better.

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Unfortunately, evidence is in short supply on most of the posts in the F1 forums!

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Actually I feel this thread has lots of evidence that has been scraped up. 90% of it against the theory I'd estimate.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

no, you're being a dill.

the reason i included the word and the definition is that, for reasons best known to yourself and your agenda, your responses utterly ignored the word i actually used and replaced it with words that mean something entirely different.

one of two things might have happened:

you thought they meant the same thing, in which case you should be thanking me for taking the time out of a busy schedule to help broaden your limited understanding by appraising you of the actual meaning of the word "derision" and, therefore, its lack of relationship with the words you interpreted it to mean (ie, "booted off").

or you used the more-dramatic "booted off" in place of "derision" because it turned you from a conspiracy-chasing ignoramus into somebody unfairly slighted in an attempt to garner sympathy on these forums as somebody who'd been unfairly victimised.

i consider you extremely fairly victimised, with your own written evidence showing you to be a recidivist of motorsport and racing ignorance being the sole catalyst for it.

you have google to help you with definitions of big words you don't understand? and you didn't use it the first time around when you were trying to figure out what "derision" meant? Again, it doesn't make you a victim.

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Ok I apologize for saying you were aiming to get people booted. it's not what you said, I wrongfully assumed so and it wasn't the case (perhaps if you use English suited to a public F1 forum and not a scholarly debate it'd reduce such incidences).

That does not make it okay to wish for a ruling to be made to mock/ridicule people that disagree with your statements. It's one of those "I'm better than you" superiority complex kind of statements and it's not on.

I do not feel victimized by you actually (in the case you're referring to), it was actually a case of me victimizing you for making such an outlandish statement. Why would I be calling for sympathy when I don't actually believe, nor did I ever fully believe, there was a conspiracy???

I do feel unfairly victimized however when you make such comments as 'ignoramus'. Just because I don't have a "Word of the Day" calender on my wall means I can be insulted? Give me a break.

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Originally Posted by bowers

Well I appreciate the laid back attitude, and it really is something more people need take to heart (and I sometimes lose track of that).

It was a mere suggestion (that has become almost a movement now), and to some F1 fans, just suggesting this may have happened is worthy of saying something like "you know nothing about racing" or whatever. I'm pretty pleased with my motorsports knowledge, I even race stock cars myself so it's amusing when people say such things to me... just so happens a number of people love to say it (it's the easiest way out of a discussion... the thing little kids do in the sandbox)

The "Glock-gate" theory is more a business based conspiracy than a racing based theory. It has little or nothing to do with racing actually and is based more around dollars or some other form of power (for example knowledge). Some may disagree and think it's an entirely racing issue, but that has less of a basis than one solely based on the business aspects of F1. If you are in agreeance to the theory (which I actually am not) it doesn't mean you don't know anything about racing... it's the people that didn't question it for 1 second that actually don't seem to know much about F1 as a business.

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There have been lots of conspiracies that have proven to be absolutely true .
It's the theoretical aspect that doesn't always hold .

Last year we had a conspiracy that nobody thought could be as true as it appeared in the end .

As Murray said , "F1 is if spelled backwards ." .
If something as mind-blowing as having Glock paid off were to happen , it would happen in F1 .
We must not forget that it is , with all the cash floating through the paddock , the most fertile of ground for a conspiracy .

All concerned were quick to deny .
They all seem pretty edgy about it all .

After last year , and earlier moments of questionable stewarding this year , any question at all seems to get all and sundry into rather a tizzy . Any suggestion of impropriety here has been met with rather venomous response .

You're alright .
You started a debate .



OK , now , who's got some captures comparing the angles of the steering wheel , so we can determine if it was properly affixed ?
Or , will it be swept under the carpet like so many other McLaren improprieties , just to make a British world champion ?
The Queen's in on it , too , as there's no way they'll investigate the issue , now that she's officially congratulated him ..........or will they ?????????????

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

There have been lots of conspiracies that have proven to be absolutely true .
It's the theoretical aspect that doesn't always hold .

Last year we had a conspiracy that nobody thought could be as true as it appeared in the end .

As Murray said , "F1 is if spelled backwards ." .
If something as mind-blowing as having Glock paid off were to happen , it would happen in F1 .
We must not forget that it is , with all the cash floating through the paddock , the most fertile of ground for a conspiracy .

All concerned were quick to deny .
They all seem pretty edgy about it all .

After last year , and earlier moments of questionable stewarding this year , any question at all seems to get all and sundry into rather a tizzy . Any suggestion of impropriety here has been met with rather venomous response .

You're alright .
You started a debate .



OK , now , who's got some captures comparing the angles of the steering wheel , so we can determine if it was properly affixed ?
Or , will it be swept under the carpet like so many other McLaren improprieties , just to make a British world champion ?
The Queen's in on it , too , as there's no way they'll investigate the issue , now that she's officially congratulated him ..........or will they ?????????????

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Would be interesting to see all the Lewis fans that believed in something fishy after Spa and immediately shot down the possibility of anything going on in Brazil wouldn't it.