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Teams never raise questions about team orders because they are not hypocrites, as they all use them. Something we can't say about lots of members of this forum, whom would have yelled about it day and night if it was Ferrari (and there is proof to that), but they say it was normal, because it was McLaren!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
I think this is the answer to your question.
Hypocrisy at it's highest "density"! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Rather than an unfounded personal attack, try posting something of value :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
He is described as "furious" , and swearing after the race .
That would seem to indicate he was unhappy with the decision , and that would point to it not being the decision he would have preferred .
That points to an outside influence , his team , indicating that they expect him to act in a certain way .
He clearly did , and it seems his emotions were calmed once he met with his team afterwards .
That indicates to me that he was shown the data , and then understood why he was told Lewis was faster .
"Lewis is faster . Let him through ."
Tou can say the first three words , but not the second three .
It was a legal team order . How long will a driver that dis-obeys last ?
Ask Fernando . His contract at McLaren read that he would race there this year .
Stupid , stupid , stupid rule .
Which McLaren driver was in the best position to achieve the best result for the team, or did they both have a chance to win the race?
Given that Heikki was 4th after the so-called team order, and remained 5th to the end of the race, while Lewis moved up to 1st ,the answer appears obvious. Given that Heikki's fastest race lap was 0.5s slower than Lewis the answer is even more obvious.
This was not a team running 1-2 earning maximum points, regardless of which driver was ahead, ordering one driver to sacrifice his position in the interests of the other. This was a team that had one driver with the opportunity to win. Had it been the former then the FIA should have penalised McLaren. As it was the latter they rightly took no action IMHO.
Heh...you dont give up easily! :) He was angry because team "informed him that Lewis is quicker than him"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
As he said:
- Ajatukset olivat sekaisin kisan jälkeen, Kovalainen selitti purkaustaan.
free translation:
- My head was a mess after the race, Kovalainen explained his outburst
Was that good enough explanation? Heikki also has admitted that it was right thing to do to let Lewis past and he just has to sort his own problems because if he is quick enough, he can win races.
Time will tell...
If I was Hekki, I would be annoyed that I was 1/2 a second slower a lap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shalafi
Heikki needs to get his head straight and work on getting the best out of the car with his engineers. I'm sure he will.
As far as team orders go, I really fail to see the issue.
When Lewis was prevented from having a go at Alonso, I thought it the right decision as they were 1 and 2. Any attempt an Monnaco with those two would have ended in disaster.
With Germany, it made sense for Heikki to be told Lewis was flying to avoid an avoidable accident. As it was, Heikki making it easy for Lewis probably changed nothing and lead to the best possible team result for McLaren.
I think we may have to agree to disagree then.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The link provided gave no quote of what Heikki said, just their interpretations of his reaction. considering its regarding a Finnish driver in the Finnish press, I wouldn't really see it as an objective opinion. Its like asking the ITV-F1 crew about Hamilton - its going to be very biased!
At end of the day, we have world news, coming from different languages all around the world, if it had enough credibility, it would have made it into the British press. So I'm sorry, but I'd rather base my opinions on known facts, not tabloid Finnish papers and hear'say.
Your entitled to your opinion, as am I, I've explained myself above - please don't take offence :) .
No offence, but a couple of weeks ago and 5 months ago are very different. You really should make yourself clearer in future.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstillhere
If you could go and cut and paste info to support your claim it'd be very much appreciated :) .
From my memory Lewis has beaten Heikki more times than not, even at beginning on season. Though Heikki was definately a near match for Lewis. I don't think he had the better of him.
So any reliable sources supporting your claim much appreciated :) .
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Originally Posted by mstillhere
Erm.....hate to point it out - but its your guys arguing a case without a source.
I've got sources and actualy FACTS backing up my view of events.