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Yes, one of the best things about watching an S2000 car is their agility.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mirek Fric [Cze
Maybe the FIAs next bright idea will be to add 300kg to a WRCar and then we don't have to have new rules at all! Current Fords and Citroen's can then compete alongside the S2000s... (Just in case somebody from the FIA is reading, that was a joke)
It has been said a million times and it will be said a million more times.
Wouldn't you feel like an idiot to buy a S2000 for 300.000 euros and next year a N4 worth 100.000 (top GrN around 130-150.000) is as fast as your kit car...
Extremely stupid rules....
agree 100%
It's a pretty good way to keep costs down in S2000 - If a 100k gp n car is as fast as an S2000, customers will buy the grp n and force down S2000 prices from getting too crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
Prices will never come down, engineers will see to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by cannyboy
I'm all for level playing fields and dont want to see depleted fields however there are two manufacturers with Group N 4wd machinery against potentially six or seven with current or proposed S2000 cars. Surely the new class which is supposed to be the new top level should have the advantage as it's the WRC replacement class and Group n stays as the PWRC formula...
S2000 is not going to be WRC replacement class, new "WRC" will be based on S2000 class regulations but most likely it will have 1.6 turbo engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by sal
Thats what I meant, honest! The point I was trying to make that there has to be a clear difference between the classes unless it's going to be one class system in which case there is no problem with handicapping/parity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
The weight / power ratio for a S2000 is 1200 kg / 280 hp = 4,29 kg / hp. Power figures of N4s I’ve seen have been between 275 hp – 290 hp. The min. weight for a N4 is 1350 kg, so the weight / power ratio is between 4,66 kg / hp – 4,91 kg / hp. With a 1 mm increase of the restrictor’s diameter, the area increases by about 6%, which means about 6% more power. A 6% increase would mean power between 292 hp – 307 hp and kg / hp ratios of 4,39 kg / hp – 4,63 kg / hp. A N4 would still have to carry excessive “load” of about 50 – 120 kg.
If I could decide I would give N4 the same freedom as S2000 regulations regarding the suspension, brakes etc. (engine and transmission = N4, the rest = S2000) and give the class a new name, for example R4. This would of course add costs to the N4 but IMO it’s better to make the N4 more expensive because it’s difficult to make S2000 cheaper when about 95% of the parts are competition parts and only 5% from the original road car (In N4 it’s about the opposite, 95% standard and 5% competition parts). N4 as it is today should be “reserved” for privateers.
I also agree what urabus-denoS2000 said that it would be quite weird if you can by the same performance for 1/3 – 1/2 of the price of a S2000.
This is what I posted in November 2008:
(PWRC2009 thread)
I wanted a 34 mm restrictor, but OK 33 is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZequeArgentina
S2000 will be musch faster anyhow, but with less advantage.
The main problem is running "normal N4" and S2000 in same class and same championship (PWRC).
that will not be the problem next year............or yes???????
Will there be PWRC championship next year? only with N4? another cup for S2000? It is getting a complete mess.
Must say that I watched shakedown for one rally and saw more then 20 passes of s2000 cars and it's more atractive then WRC machinery for me.. :)