More possible under the 2027 Regs I guess as the Cars will be significantly less expensive than the last WRC & Rally1 Cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
And Toyoda-San does want competition in WRC or any Toyota success doesn't mean so much.
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More possible under the 2027 Regs I guess as the Cars will be significantly less expensive than the last WRC & Rally1 Cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
And Toyoda-San does want competition in WRC or any Toyota success doesn't mean so much.
So we can start guessing... Tanak, Solberg and Paddon in Subaru team in 2027 🙈
Subaru bodywork, Toyota chassis and engine? What else needs "co-operation with Toyota"?Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Just showing how close Toyota and Subaru are.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Want to ask FIA something? LoL DirtFish is on IT
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/ask-t...wrc-questions/
(If you manage to ask them something in less words than 2009 twitter)
Facebook Rumour:
There might be 9 projects in development for 2027/2028:
Hyundai: Expected to continue, perhaps with an evolved Rally2 in 2027 before WRC27.
Toyota: Seen as the only "certain" manufacturer ready for 2027.
Lancia: Starting in Rally2 in 2026, with plans for WRC27 in 2028.
Skoda: Developing its WRC27.
Subaru: The rumor of another Japanese giant's return is gaining strength!
Others: Projects from Prodrive, M-Sport Poland and other "tuners", are on the table.
Wow
Too optimistic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I don't know why it's so hard to in WRC world just to tell, when in other sports there is usually no problem telling stuff like, manufacturer making plans to enter, who they sign, or what are intentions. Here everything is wrapped in bubbles and announced at the last possible times
WRC is not that big anymore for constant news and announcements and expectations (tho DirtFish tries really hard)Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
And manufacturers are not that interested anymore too so we are left with "someone who knows a Skoda mechanic saying the board is talking about a possible new car for 27-28" - Which may be true and that would be awesome. Hoping for the best! 2027 is going to be very decent if you ask me, just for the fact that "anyone can enter an R5". Not the favorite aspect of it around here but its what we can hope for from now on!
To be fair, they'd wait until the new Promoter was in place before signing deals.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
I've seen that and every time someone mentiones Subaru without any profound backing but rather because they are a fanboy or want to appease to the army of obnoxious fanboys, they immediately loose any credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Yeah, lets kill all the fun in a forum for fans....Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
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If constantly making up the same story is your idea of fun so be it. I'm just tired of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
It was just one of the many rumours and no more than that. Chill.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
It's only a rumours, but on the other hand it doesn't make any sense being so confident go that way for WRC27 ruleset, if there isn't any serious interest at the table, but they keep it completely quiet for some weird reason, probably doesn't want to be us fans too happy (joke) 🤣 this sport gives us so many false hopes, dreams and scenarios already through years that we honestly doesn't believe anything until it's confirmed officialy. What I hope there will NOT ever be a point where the series will die and certainly doesn't want that FIA will be the one to kill it as seems they are doing this quite well right now.
At this stage appreciate that its important that the ruleset is clarified etc however honestly believe the biggest challenge the sport is facing is the onboarding of a new promoter. Personally I think that this is where the sport live or dies and it wont matter if we have 2.5 or 7 manufacturer/tuner teams signed up. If the format is stale and we get more of the same as the current incumbent then it could be very bad. The FIA and Dusty have a great opportunity to breath new life into the WRC lets hope they seize it.
Double post
Isn’t it just the existing company for sale?
So the same organisation just with a new owner?
I would sugest something else then.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
The subaru-rumour is old, but kind of new this time, its from a norwegian rallypodcast i know have made podcasts from solbergs workshop, and petter has build a big new workshop he has said is preparations for a future worksteam.
Mr. Toyoda also has said in interviues that he want subaru back.
Noone of us know at this stage if its something in it, but it has to be said it would be sad if they present a comeback in short time and noone want to disquss it because some dude is butthurt.
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And the new Performance-B STI Concept shown in Tokyo adds fuel to the fire.
Ah very constructive answer...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
In all seriousness, the Solberg workshop being built was mentioned long ago already and the quote of Toyoda encouraging Subaru to enter happened what? One year ago?
When Toyoda started talking about Subaru it was something worth noting as Toyota is involved with Subaru but nothing came of it. I' m more than happy to talk about future entrants to the WRC, but when the eightiest person on the internet mentions that Subaru is maybe entering without any basis other than "blue cars cool" it get's annoying.
Maybe don't be butthurt if other people don't enjoy the same things as you, it makes life much more enjoyable.
If the upgrade rally2 car can win wrc27 now , why that can't happen in 2027, imagine this will take place
Toyota wrc27
Hyundai upgrade rally2
MSport wrc27
Lancia wrc27
Toksport WRT Skoda upgrade rally2
PH Sport Citroën upgrade rally2
Peter Solberg WRT subaru upgrade rally2
other private drivers original rally2
no matter how the total entry numbers will increase
A Subaru (bodywork) car with the Toyota WRC27 chassis underneath could be a way of increasing the number of WRC27 Teams/Cars for the first year while others, ike M-Sport, catch up.
lancia and ph sport will be pretty much the same thing...so no citroenQuote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Win the Driver's championship? Possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1988senna
Win the Manufacturer's championship? Depends who it is open for and who enters. Need rules.
Is Rally2 being upgraded though? Did I forget this already?
No. They'll be further developed, not upgraded.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
i think its more like skoda does every year or so. i'd call that 'updates' (via those 'joker' thing?)Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
they will probably have a little bit more room for 2027
I think that upgrade to rally2 car is intended for those older models - i20, Fiesta (because I don't think they will build new models). Citroen will probably not be updated anymore (it will "upgrade" through Lancia), VW Polo doesn't have support, so no go for that car. Skoda and Toyota are currently the best cars out there and are updated reguraly, so they don't need any major improvements. i20 and Fiesta on the other side are amongst "slower" cars, so they are refferong to those two. It's only due to this that M-Sport and Hyundai could compete against Lancia, Toyota and Skoda and not be automaticaly way behind.
M-Sport already said they dont see the value for money in spending to upgrade the Fiesta for 2027.
And no-one knows what Hyundai will do except that they wont have a WTC27 car ready.
Plus how can they be made competitive. What upgrades will work while being fair to Skoda and Toyota?
It sounds like the upgrades are worth millions on a car that costs 250.000.. maybe they will take sabatical year to focus on 2028. And it's only logical move for everyone, because FIA did screw it big time with (still) finalizing regulations. But don't know what cars would everyone use in 2027 if this will really happen (or the new era will be postopned for a year). Current Rally1 or straight to Rally2 without main category
What I do not get in all this '27 mess is how FIA could f...it up so big - it even seems like a real neglect or even worth - simply and plain stupidity, or combination of both. This time the biggest stone should be thrown to FIA Rally commission.
Right now seems that better to go back to R2+ for 2 years and make modern, high-tech based rules from '29. Define it as transition period. What's wrong with Toksport winning WRC title with 2 more semi-privateers on podium?
To me seems that repairing the house that was f...up with Hybrid de-tour is not possible, not tearing the house down and building it up again.
I think it's too late for 2027. And I hope that this will not mean that it will be too late to save WRC from collapsing, because it seems on paper that FIA could hit the golden ticket here with this ruleset, if they would do it on time. Could current regs (Rally1-hybridless) be eligible (or extended) for another year (2027)? And if current teams (Toyota, Hyundai, M-Sport) could run it for one more year? Or be persuaded to be there in 2028 with new cars. I think that this would be fair for everybody, even for potential "newcomers", since we all know that absolutely nobody will be able to challenge Toyota (even if someone will build WRC27 car and have it ready in Monte Carlo27 edition)
Have to say I'm getting pretty tired of this 'FIA fucked up with regs' rhetoric, especially when written with a Plan F that could be implemented. Rally1 regs were approved and made public December 2021, a month before Monte. WRC+ were published January 2017, weeks before Monte. It's really not a big deal that they aren't legally finalised and made public already. At this point it'll be that the devil details of the regs are being written around what is being fed back from those developing a car and to the best of my knowledge, the FIA doesn't build cars. Then they'll have a doc suitable for the officials ahead of the 2027 season. It isn't written for the public to admire and there is enough of WRC27 made public already for a manufacturer/constructor to decide if they are interested or not. Even the public know 99%.
We all want announcements and commitments from the '9' bodies apparently developing cars but that's being held up by commercial stuff, not the car technical regulations. Even if you go for Rally2+/4=X+y and print final regs you'd be in the same position with manufacturers not knowing who they are cutting a deal with and on what terms.
Not postponed, in RX it was always supposed to switch to WRC from 2028.
Also if you think FIA is f'ing up WRC, just look at RX. First forcing everyone to switch to electric cars, and when most of the grid finaly got them, they ban it lmao
i think the main error of this management is the decision to run after fans' humoral desires aka "the audience".
promoter is seeking big number to have return of investment for sponsors, but this is colliding with the manufacturers.
and wrc27 is the perfect example: going toward the most acclaimed rally2 (or rally2+) as top tier, then discovering that both rally1 and rally2 manus think "no thanks". results: new direction stalling on the ps start line!
oh, r u sure? i remember bakku and andrew coley saying "eurorx in 2026 then worldrx in 2027 with the new cars".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
or there was some infos about this and i missed. it could be
Yeah it was announced in the first press release
https://www.fiaworldrallycross.com/n...ross-from-2026