2024 WRC News & Rumours

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Originally Posted by er88

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Every year we get fed the same old shite from Ireland, yet the governments dont care!

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Different government, different country.....

Last few years the proposal has been for Rally Northern Ireland, which relied on support for the NI assembly which was always going to be difficult.

Rally Ireland is a totally different proposition put forward by a different governing body in a different jurisdiction. The 2 are not linked in any way.
Sorry but I felt the need to explain.

Anyway your point is somewhat valid, we do have to wait for IRISH government support to make this happen, but the signs are positive.

Double post

Tanak: New WRC points system won’t change approach, but win means less

https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...less/10564371/

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

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Interesting to see his real speed.

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so Skoda managed to keep/get better line-up than Toyota.. I tought it would be otherway round.
Will be interesting to see 3 youngster with rally1 car experience in same car and going for wins! Hopefully they drive on same(mostly) events also.

Just noticed that WRC "lost" the official timepiece. If even no company is interested in being visible through all the live broadcasts on screen, there's actually something wrong with the series...

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Originally Posted by typhoon

Just noticed that WRC "lost" the official timepiece. If even no company is interested in being visible through all the live broadcasts on screen, there's actually something wrong with the series...

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Timepiece or timekeepers?

TW Steel... a timepiece brand is usually easy to attach to a motorsport series, because usually it can have a lot of TV exposure on graphics and banners through the corners. That's quite a bad sign IMHO.

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Originally Posted by typhoon

TW Steel... a timepiece brand is usually easy to attach to a motorsport series, because usually it can have a lot of TV exposure on graphics and banners through the corners. That's quite a bad sign IMHO.

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No chance getting Certina back ey?

They had Anonimo and then TW Steel. None of them produced a normal price watch normal people could buy. I never understood this.

Long interview with Evans by dirtfish

https://youtu.be/GYU3W16Mrs0?si=-GUPX9tLHXRn3viX

Full respect to his skills as a driver, but listening to this can help cure anyone suffering from insomnia.....

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Long interview with Evans by dirtfish

https://youtu.be/GYU3W16Mrs0?si=-GUPX9tLHXRn3viX

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Some interesting things there in the second part. Says the points system devalues the win, it was too extreme as there were simpler solutions and and there are other more important issues. He says Rally1 was a wrong move as it's too expensive with space frame and carbon panels, removing the hybrid wouldn't change much. Says rally2 is not the way but something inbetween that's fast but cheap should be the way forward.

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Originally Posted by seb_sh

Some interesting things there in the second part. Says the points system devalues the win, it was too extreme as there were simpler solutions and and there are other more important issues. He says Rally1 was a wrong move as it's too expensive with space frame and carbon panels, removing the hybrid wouldn't change much. Says rally2 is not the way but something inbetween that's fast but cheap should be the way forward.

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With all this words I agree.

HYUNDAI PLANNING NEW CAR FOR WRC 2025

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...-for-wrc-2025/

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

HYUNDAI PLANNING NEW CAR FOR WRC 2025

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...-for-wrc-2025/

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Nothing Cyril says can justify that article title or attaching David's own Rally2 campaign to Hyundai.

With exactly the same of Cyril's words, you can craft a post titled HYUNDAI BACK RALLY1 FOR WRC 2025, because they say they are developing the current car under the current regulations and are not considering homologating a new one.

Sick of this.

EDIT: Article looks to be edited to a fairer write up.

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Originally Posted by seb_sh

Some interesting things there in the second part. Says the points system devalues the win, it was too extreme as there were simpler solutions and and there are other more important issues. He says Rally1 was a wrong move as it's too expensive with space frame and carbon panels, removing the hybrid wouldn't change much. Says rally2 is not the way but something inbetween that's fast but cheap should be the way forward.

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Yes, a good summary.

Interesting what he says about the high cost of using a spaceframe when some on here say it's cheaper than using a road car. Not in Rally1 it seems.

And something in between ?! Why are they discussing "Rally2" as the top class when the change would be to "Rally2 PLUS" ie. with a bigger restrictor and rear spoiler?

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Yes, a good summary.

Interesting what he says about the high cost of using a spaceframe when some on here say it's cheaper than using a road car. Not in Rally1 it seems.

And something in between ?! Why are they discussing "Rally2" as the top class when the change would be to "Rally2 PLUS" ie. with a bigger restrictor and rear spoiler?

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Might it be the carbon panels that are the main culprit for driving costs up?

Carbon is definitely part of the high costs. Rally cars lose bits everywhere and carbon bits cannot be repaired on the cheap like plastic or metal ones.

Evans says 'everything we have is massively expensive"..

But if it is mainly the carbon fibre panels surely the rules could've easily banned them and have them made of metal ?

How cheaply can you make all bespoke body panels though? The Puma is most obvious example where the overall look of the road car is the same, but how much is actually shared with it?

Other than lights, do they have to use a standard (modified) bonnet? Windows? The wings and doors clearly aren’t based on the road car shape as the height of the bonnet and flanks of a Puma are much lower on the Rally1 version than the road car.

They need to introduce lots of spec parts to try to keep costs down.

nobody is stopping them from making those parts in polyester and saving a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by HKSjbg

How cheaply can you make all bespoke body panels though? The Puma is most obvious example where the overall look of the road car is the same, but how much is actually shared with it?

Other than lights, do they have to use a standard (modified) bonnet? Windows? The wings and doors clearly aren’t based on the road car shape as the height of the bonnet and flanks of a Puma are much lower on the Rally1 version than the road car.

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These space frame cars don't have to be the same size as the production model - a rule intended to encourage maufacturers that didn't have a car the right size to fit the Rally1 dimensions to enter a look-alike of a slightly bigger model. That means all bespoke panels which rules out metal panels because of the tooling costs to make them.

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Originally Posted by denkimi

nobody is stopping them from making those parts in polyester and saving a lot of money.

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Requiring the body panels to be GRP and banning carbon would make some cost savings on the material but the tooling and labour would still be the same so the saving wouldn't be as big as you might expect.

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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

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Its gonna be pretty much hard to beat Toyota in Sweden

Heard that last year too…

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Originally Posted by CeskyOndra

Its gonna be pretty much hard to beat Toyota in Sweden

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Tänak is simply faster.

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Originally Posted by rp

Tänak is simply faster.

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Faster than Kalle? i dont think so.

Kalle will be unbeatable this season I think. Yes, Tanak was always good in Sweden, but road position here is the decider and Kalle has nothing to loose

https://sport.postimees.ee/7944190/r...2zfZj5cpeFU2E8

Maybe someone from estonia sees behind the paywall what the sources are or the headline is just clickbait(big chance because this is postimees) but the headline is "Kalle wont start his season in Sweden"

Edit: i think the big clickbait probably refers to that he will begin his "season" at arctic. But maybe someone can confirm it

This means that Kalle will start the season at the Arctic Lapland rally

Today in facebook group WRC WORLD, there was post about that Loeb is gonna drive for M-Sport in Portugal.

Sadly, the post was deleted so I can't put source or it is a fake news.

I heard this also, yesterday, so hopefully it is true!

I have also seen this: Attachment 2507

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-p...-just-missold/

The new system isn’t stupid, it’s just not explained correctly….

That Loeb post was deleted quite fast and I understood it was based on 2022 news, so most likely just false information..

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/loeb-...c-in-portugal/

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Originally Posted by Eli

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-p...-just-missold/

The new system isn’t stupid, it’s just not explained correctly….

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agreed. if they had said "it's the same with some bonus assigned after the race" there would have been no fuss at all!

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Originally Posted by Eli

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-p...-just-missold/

The new system isn’t stupid, it’s just not explained correctly….

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A scoring system which needs correct explanation to be understandable is inherently stupid.