Where on earth have you heard that lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
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Where on earth have you heard that lol?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyest
So that's 28 constructor points each for Hyundai and Toyota, if they bank them?
Nothing showing for Munster. Could he restart tomorrow and get 12, by being the fastest on the day and winning the PS? Or is scoring over for him?
I think we should call Saturday points "Schrödinger's points", like the cat of uncertain fate.
it would have been enough just giving some (fewer) points after today, isntead of this "what if" classification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Question is: if Neuville retires tomorrow, will Ogier get 18 from today because he will be retroactively moved into 1st place? Or will he get 15, and nobody gets 18?
18, according to rally tv a moment ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Wow... they managed to get even this decision wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Yes.
Everyone gets confused initially because everywhere else you get points directly for achieving something, so usually winner = most points. I think someone thought they were very clever when they came up with it but from my experience the truly clever people make simple elegant solutions.
Anyway, so far in this rally I don't think it mattered how the points are given because the top 3 have given us a good show.
But there is a reset now as far as points are concerned. Munster and Neuville have an equal shot tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
The confusion stems from the regs being published late on a Friday and before anybody official could get an explainer out, this forum and other socials had already read them and begun to spread false information, including from influential and trusted voices.
Even now, when people first hear about it they get it wrong. It's unintuitive and obtuse. Explaining it doesn't make it better, it just helps people get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Also if these points were handed tomorrow and everything else kept the same Munster and Neuville would have the same shot tomorrow.
This talk about Saturdays points having 0 (zero) if retiring tomorrow, is that anything new?
If you retired on Sundays anyway during the years, did you score anything back then? No
It's the same with manufacturer points yes?
If Ogier where to retire tomorrow, Katsuta would score manufacturer points for fifth right?
Tha's what I said, unless you meant with the old points in which case, hardly, Munster restarts and is half an hour behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
The promoter must be really thankful for both classes' top 3 - they have delivered epic and intense battles so far and it's still all to be decided tomorrow.
So if Ogier overhauls Thierry tomorrow and Neuville finishes 2nd, is he really 2nd? Or did he win the "main" rally ;)
No, instead of giving out part points for end of saturday, give these points to overall standings at the end of sunday. Keep the rest as it is, so also points for Sunday only + PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCStan
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by becher
get out!Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Depends on the winning margin.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lead
But you we're also not even ground for winning sunday points if you retired on Saturday, unlike nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Hmm, ignoring points for a moment, can Munster restart tomorrow? Or is the old RMC "max 60 cars on Sunday" thing going to kick in?
I think prio1 are exempt from that, and he is not that far down anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Fantastic fight in the Rally2 class, only 6"9 gap between Gryazin, Lopez and Rossel with three stages left to go :up: :cool:
Oh. I was also under the impression that people who retires on Sunday, will be removed from Saturday, and the rest will just move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
However, if you led the rally after Saturday before, you didn't score any points either. It's not exactly like it was in either situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
No limit for final leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
Wrong? You just want those points to disappear from standings? Makes No senseQuote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Whats the main rally in your opinion? I only know one and it ends sunday afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Ofcourse, I was just joking after all the comments and confusion :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
I guess we'll have a better idea about the new points system tomorrow.
OK, let's see how big a fool I can make of myself...
Ogier probably isn't super worried about points, he'll be wanting another win at Monte Carlo. He'll be pushing, and pushing hard unless he's somehow 10 seconds clear.
Neuville, Tanak and Evans all have something to protect as they would have in previous years, but also more to play for on Sunday morning.
I don't think Neuville is in the mood for going easy right now.
Tanak, especially, would previously have cruised until the power stage tomorrow. Now he has every reason to try to get 12 points out of the day, and if he's been smart with his tyres he has a decent chance. [Edit: he has road position too.]
Evans probably has weaker tyres. It would be reasonable for him to be conservative.
Fourmaux... any points would be welcome. Munster needs to finish, and listen to the warnings in his notes.
And watch out for Taka, everybody. He's on good rubber and ready to rock. Fear him.
On Thursday, at work, the old saying about "a camel is a horse designed by a committee" came up. I said that a camel might be ugly, but it's good at what it does. The new rules are certainly inelegant, so let's hope they're fully like a camel.
I'd wait for a more "normal" gravel rally before drawing any conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
What do you think about tomorrow's stages? Especially first one is really early in the morning, last time there was some ice.
Yes, that's fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Gregoire will be starting first tomorrow - https://rally-base.com/2024/rallye-m...imeTypeId=1535
No, I just want a normal scoring system. But yes, I'd rather those points to disappear than being retroactively reallocated, especially when you consider that those are supposed to be "Leg 1 / Saturday" points but their allocation depends on the result after "Leg 2 / Sunday"... Ogier finished 2nd in Leg 1, why would he deserve anything more than 15 points from that leg? He didn't win it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tauri_J
That's something i miss from the old Eurosport/IRC Monte days.. instead of 'here is car 1-2-3 going through the same section of the stage' they used to jump around a lot more so one would see more of the stage and it was better for the drama too as they would focus on the tighest battles. At least that's how i remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
The current setup has it's advantages too of course; equal coverage for all competitors and you can directely compare cars/drivers over the same stretch of road.
Lets face it, we are all rally nerds and love the sport, hence why we follow this forum. Yet we have been debating this new pts scoring system, and the confusion it has brought to some since it was announced. And we have drivers who hate it.
So how the fuck does some casual rally fan, or a potential new fan, follow and understand?
The fact it's not straight away easy to understand is an instant red flag, especially when their aim is to attract new fans!
Rallying is actually huge, look at youtube. Look at turnouts at events at every level of the sport. Maybe the promoters and FIA should focus more on providing the actual rally fans with what we want, and re-engage the fans who have drifted away from the sport. We will never be F1, but rallying is unique and can still be huge
The point system would be easily fixed by giving few points for overall standings, even if it was for top3.
This looks good for the Hybrid units ;
https://dirtfish.com/rally/toyota-cr...hybrid-system/
The rules were changed this year;
There have also been changes made to the number of hybrid units available in 2024, as teams can no longer use more than three new units as opposed to nine in previous years as another way of reducing costs.
This is from the 2024 Sporting regs, that other was from Autosport !!
- Each Manufacturer Team: Maximum 3 new units per season
are allowed. The total number of hybrids units per season is
not limited.
For 2025 and 2026, maximum 3 new hybrid units per season
are allowed.
A refurbished hybrid unit is not considered as a new
hybrid unit when at least one of the following components
is unchanged: inverter, MGU or battery pack. If these three
elements are changed simultaneously, the decision will be at
the discretion of the FIA and the hybrid system supplier.
Suppose Neuville has a puncture or an off tomorrow and loses some minutes... before he'd have lost places and points, but now he'd still keep his 18 pts from Thur-Sat.
Good or bad?
I don't know, but looking at the map the first stage is twisty so there will be areas in deep shadow. And it's a clear night on the forecast for Gap. So some sort of ice, or frost, or slippery slush, seems likely for the morning. Well, that's how it's been so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by CeskyOndra