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Apparently it was the team president, Noh, who instructed to hold positions.
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https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...ais-president/
Apparently it was the team president, Noh, who instructed to hold positions.
All is not well inside the Hyundai team. Tanak should go to MSport at least there he can retire due to technical issues in peace and not have to deal with such crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Well, I hope he at least has permission to push at powerstage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Neuville’s patience was then tested when DirtFish’s Colin Clark pointed out that swapping the drivers wouldn’t have affected Hyundai’s formation finish, but did disadvantage Tänak’s drivers’ title bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
“Stop asking the same question,” Neuville responded, before walking away from the interview when Clark pointed out he was just trying to get to the bottom of the reasoning.
Interesting, what about the setup/development of i20 imposed by Neuvile?Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
Seems like the situation of Max extracting the full spees from Red Bull vs Perez or Marquez the sole rider for Honda's max performance
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video version of this conversation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZJvrWlVncQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Interesting answer from Ott regarding next year. Good grilling from Colin for Moncet
and Neuvilles behaviour after question, well...
it's just ridiculous if they don't give team orders:
- smaller cap with Kalle benefits also Hyundai manu champ., more pressure on toyota driver
- having a world champ in your team will benefit Hyundai in overall marketing vice etc.
- doing right and hard decisions is what's needed for healthy team climate
Tänak has paid his dues by giving up wins in previous years and now worked himself back to a position where everything could be possible. Neuville needs to understand that he has to put himself in a fav. position first and then others will also gather behind him.
Hyundai with bad car preparation kind of owns some points to drivers also
i don't get all this fuzz. hiunday historical position is always been to privilege manufacturer championship over drivers one. they are keeping their line.
it's strange that people speak about neuville pushing for orders when the real pushing is -rightly so for his personal point- from tanak (in the interview is bitterly referring to Sordo on friday).
it's seams to me a lot of people are losing context. in the end, the accusation of not being a team player to neuville and sordo, looking at their hiunday carreers, is mispointed. on the other side, i think tanak was in his entire career (leaving toyota for mainly that reason) very self oriented -that is legit, don't get me wrong, just analizing-. it seems to me that there's no "team neuville" in hiunday, just "team" and tanak is not there.
anyway, time will tell!
as a fan of Tänak (you know, just being a estonian) I just need to state - Neuville is not guilty to leading or take the win here. He deserves that.
And this is probably main point of current situation. At Toyota nobody liked him so they didn’t push to keep him for 2020. Now nobody likes him at Hyunday. He is just not a team player. He‘s focused on himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
... and Wilson is dreaming to get him back to M-SportQuote:
Originally Posted by Gonek
This was exactly what was discussed when Tanak joined Hyundai for the 2020 season. Would Neuville let Tanak pass if Tanak's WDC even remotely depended on it. I guess you could find your answer in Dirtfish interview.
Such a shame for this 'team' and its leader.
A guy who got a call from Malcolm not to fight with Ogier during Spain in 17Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonek
got a call today from Korea not to push
Respecting the calls both times
In 2020 helped Hyundai to manufacture title while Thierry binned it in monza
And people are calling him a not a team player
Yeah he can be a arse inside the team as I have heard and nobody likes him. But so far he has respected the big decisions
i would not push it so far. i don't think nobody likes him, it seems unfair to me. i think it is just his approach, is not a bad guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonek
Brynhildsen at 3.place?!
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Also GB 2017 or 2018 when he let Ogier pass on PS. If im not mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Rossel rolled and title hopes definitively over
Lappi also left Toyota for no reason? and returned after Tommi/Mia were sent away..
honestly yes, i think so, as i said before. i think his approach is more self-oriented (and again, rightly so).Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
of course, some cases you present are real (unless for 2020 that is too vague to me), but doesn't really mean that much if you put it in context when happened, like spain 17 or today. it's not like the championship is on the line today, right? we talk a lot about still a long shot...
e: still, to be clear, is not that much on today, than his generale behaviour, it's a bunch of things that make a team player, not just a tema order sometimes. of course that's from what i know from my limited point of view, i can be wrong for sure.
All top drivers are top drivers because they PERSONALLY want to get titles. They didn't do all their career for helping others. Is it Tänak, Neuville, Ogier, Rovanperä, Evans does not really matter.
Only exception can be clear 3rd car guy like Sordo, who took this role intentionally.
All the time you just need to keep in mind, for whom you are working for.
…And both drivers were touching their noses during answering Colin’s grilling questions… ��Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Remember M-Sport?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
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Yeah it's funny how some people find Neuville not a team player, others same about Tänak etc.
This is world championship with best drivers, what do you expect? Tänak smelled the chances after Kalle had binned it, Thierry hasn't had a win for a year....
Anyway it goes, there will be sour feelings, it's part of the game. The problem is solely at HMSG leadership and their ability to make timely decisions.
And to claim that Tänak is not a team player is utter garbage, his history proves it otherwise. If you have complaints about his personality then yes, I can agree, not an easy person at all to work with (hearing many reports from TGR and HMSG).
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A wild run from Breen, seems he's overdriving lately.
But finally with points in the bag, like he said, kept it in the middle of the road, hopefully he can keep it up till the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by seb_sh
Well done, Loubet
that's to me is totally inside the notion of a team player, as it not means to me "helping your teammates to win your race" rather "working well (with good disposition) with the entirety of the personnel".Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Neuville in team-player mode on PS, cruising and leave 5 points for Tänak (if he does not carry any trouble)
We can go on with this debate for days I guess and while I agree with you I also disagree with some parts of it. Remember certain Colin McRae or Juha Kankkunen?Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
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Good interwiev with Ott, well said!
And congrats to HMSG! WELL DONE!
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This discussion here is kind of "fan of Tänak" convinces "fan of Neuville", that being "fan of Tänak" is more correct than being "fan of Neuville" and vice versa :)
The point is - if it runs out of arguments, it's just an religion and sympathy. No one is changing it easily and fights are easy to come.
Haha I agree! Everybody likes to win, even the fans :DQuote:
Originally Posted by meh
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Don't be ridic, nobody is a "fan of Neuville"
Hyundai 1-2-3 is done, congrats!
I was today :DQuote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
But this song "the most important is to have 1-2-3 for the team" does not serve the goal for not playing for Tänak's title hopes :)
Actually it's not about ,,against Neuville''.. but about noballs management to put things straight earlier.
No worries, we all make mistakesQuote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Who would have guessed this 2 months or even a month ago?
Three straight wins in a row and a 1-2-3 here now for Hyundai
Perfect timing! You just proved that the outrage about this nonexistent drama on this forum is just down to this place being a Tänak fan club.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool