this is correct. They are geographically close, but not same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
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this is correct. They are geographically close, but not same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BseiTNK8jmnhTLYC8
Google maps shows that these 2 locations are approx. 11 km apart from each other
For some reason there isnt proper google streetview at that place, only one dot. And if u open street view in that dot this comes up :D
https://www.upload.ee/image/10655974/mmm.png
https://www.upload.ee/image/10655975/mmm1.png
360 degrees view inside that car. pretty cool.
If these domino pieces fall as it has been predicted here (Ogi to TGR and Citroen to leave) then some finnish hag has screwed up whole WRC...
That does not seem logical. I don't think Hyundai would want to hire a driver who is willingly sabotaging his current employer.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I think they're willing to hire a driver who will do what's in their best interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertr
And this is not to say Tänak would be a cheat, but as AnttiL pointed out, the conflict of interest is huge and leaves a lot to be desired. I think it would be best for all parties (incl. Tänak himself) that Tänak stays home for Australia. If he and Toyota do not win the title, there will forever be questions whether he did his all in that specific rally.
I am very sorry, but this is the stupidest WRC-related thing I have ever read. Worst thing Tänak can do is to no start in Australia. It would decimate his, Hyundai's and whole WRC's integrity and would make the whole series a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
I am 100% sure that Tänak will go to Australia hungry as ever and will be fastest Toyota as now the pressure is gone and he can really push.
In Australia he is still a driver of Toyota Gazoo Racing and I think it wasn't even under consideration that he would drive slower or do anything else stupid.. Hyundai should already take into account and calculate the points the way that Tänak may win the rally.
Quite the opposite I'm afraid. If conflict of interest (which this is, right?) isn't taken seriously, THAT would make the whole series a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by robertr
And just to say it one more time: I have no doubts Tänak would do everything in order to secure the manu title for TGR (he has some nice bonus on that title as well, I assume), but it's more about how it looks.
Well I think that he goes to Australia to end season with a bang. He doesent have win from there yet and he can realle push because no pressure anymore and he still works for Toyota, to stay home or cruise throught is just stupid. He even said in one interview that season is not over yet, they can relax for a bit but more work waits in Australia.
Day by day this is getting more insane
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Oh yes. Couldn't be a better way to spend time than reading through this thread.
Agree!
- money
- tradewar (SK/Japan)
- management by perkelä
- R5
Sad to read about all this staff.
I don't think it's likely. But then again it almost seemed like Toyoda was "begging" Tänak to help them win title in Australia.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Kopecky? He may be considered WRC as in not Australian.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
cmon guys, they all will be starting in Australia, i mean Ogier, Tänak, Neuville (well he is anyway)
Hyundai and Adamo are grown up people and they will undrestand that Ott at the moment is working for Toyota and will help them.
Yeah, the article mentioned Østberg and Kopecky. What a clickbait.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
About Tänak not starting Australia, let's just say that it wasn't my idea, I heard it elsewhere. But of course it's just a rumor at this point.
So what about everything stays as 2019?
All rumours, bulltalks is just what it is?
I believe maybe all will stay the same for 2020. Might be wrong...
I really think more credit should be given to the Evans article. Is says contract signed. He’s going, no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Why not mikkelsen and latvala at citroen? Perhaps together with ostberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
If latvala doesn't crash to often they could do well in the constructors.
Come on guys. Tänak is going to Australia and he's going to be fighting for the win. In one of the post-Catalunya interview someone said to him you won 6 rallies this season. He responded - so far... Toyota will most likely offer generous bonuses for both the rally win and the manufacturer's title. What's in it for him if he sabotages his team for Hyundai?
https://sport.err.ee/977061/wilson-j...enist-ei-loobu
Wilson on 05.09.2019 "For sure Elfyn and Teemu will stay in the team" "We have invested so much into both of them it would be insane to let someone profit off of us"
As usual, I think the reason for Tänaks leavingi probably lies somewhere in between what everyone here and in the media has talked about.
I can totally see Mäkinen not having balls enough to say to his other drivers to back off, not to chase Ott in the brginning of the year (cost Toyota and Ott a lot of points)
Toyota still seems kinda unreliable.
But I just think Ott & Tommi coulfn't get along because probably Tommi said yes to each driver when asked, if they can drive for the win.
He isn't the kind of leader that Malcolm id.
And Adamo is.
They get things done and that's it.
This is my two cents anyway on the matter.
Ott&Martin are champions, this matters the most.
Hope to see some news soon and get some closure
Can you give any concrete examples of teammates costing Tänak points?Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendaarne
I mean in the way that they didn't take points away from Ogier and Neuville
Meeke in portugal
Finland 1-2-3 for example
Bad choice of words in my part
Meeke gifting Neuville the 2nd place and Ogier 3rd place in Portugal crashing in the powerstage.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
Meeke/Latvala crashed out of many races in the first half of the season chasing their personal ambitions, in the process gifting many points to Neuville, Ogier and the Hyundais. I think at some point there was a statistic that something like over half of Meeke's WDC points were from power stages (after crashing on the first or second day).
Only in argentina and turkey ended his teammates in front of him. And neither times could any of them have given him more points.Quote:
Originally Posted by krissucool
Funny comment, as "letting others" profit (and taking his part) has been his mode of operation for quite a while. Tanak being latest example.Quote:
Originally Posted by ggg377
Also doesn't fit the way they were talking up Evan's value around July.
Final note is that this was written on 5/9 which is before all this Tanak crazyness.
Just got that feeling again that they’re going to jump ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Wilson has touted Suninen's future potential all season and Evans has been perhaps the closest driver to the big 3 this season. Switching either of them out for anyone who is not Tänak, Neuville, Ogier or at least Lappi just wouldn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
The other teams could stand a chance in the Manus if Tanak and Neuville both push each other too hard and they make more mistakes. But Hyundai will still have a quality driver in their 3rd car to mop up points.
If Ogier stays at Citroen they really need to run a third car to compete effectively.
Interesting. I could see Mikkelsen or JML going there, but perhaps not both (Ostberg has good ties, Lappi and - cough - Ogier under contract)Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Rally (especially on World level) is very small, and there always will be some common things/links between the teams/drivers, etc. Like Tanak for the moment - still linked to Malcolm because of paying back money (so Malcolm needs to know about Tanaks contracts immediately, as that's all part of their deal) plus OT Racing is running Fiesta WRC, and Ott himself driving Toyota, etc. So no chances to make it all 100% clear and separate.
Regarding contract signing, anouncments, etc it's also not that simple, as if Hyundai signs Ott they would like to announce it with big boom (as it should give them some marketing feedback). But as Ott is under contract with Toyota at least until the end of the season (probably end of the calendar year) it can't be done in the way Hyundai PR would like to make it, so that is obviously important reason od "delay" (if there is anything to announce:)
My 2 cents for the next season:
Toyota: Latvala, Meeke, Rovanperä/Katsuta (rotating)
Hyundai: Tänak, Neuville, Sordo/Loeb (rotating)
M-Sport: Suninen, Evans
Citroen: Ogier, Lappi
The big 3 have been pushing each other for 3 years now, but they all have learnt from ogier in 2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Neither of them needs a rally win to prove themselves anymore, so i don't suddenly see them making more mistakes now.
Just a reminder that Tommi has confirmed in public that Katsuta will not drive any of the three Yaris WRCs.
Was there not talk of a 2nd team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Exactly, that's what I meant that Katsuta's car will be run by TMR (I guess, not TGR anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by wrc2017
Not switching voluntarily. But Toyota could be very interested in paying (a lot) for Evans, including giving parts of future income to Wilson (just like with Tänak)Quote:
Originally Posted by ggg377
If that comes on the table it's quite likely Wilson will accept imo.