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Originally Posted by er88
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Yep. 10+Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Now some Barca football...
abusing the sos button for tactics should be exclusion. if it is done on the orders of the team it should be exclusion of that team.
but i doubt citroen will have done that, even they can't be that desperate and stupid.
Yes but what would You do if a works team was signaling emergency?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
We are speculating of course but there seems to be something smelling here anyway.
It's twice wider that Suninen on SS2. That rally org's just pure sick dogs for red-flagging that stage because of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by COD
What ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Barca plays twice every week and we only have 14 WRC rallies in year.
Wrong decision Per !
Another idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
What if they forgot (on purpose or not) to push the "OK" button? I believe there is some timer that sends an alarm if you stand still for longer time and don't push it.
from pictures of Lappi’s incident there was enough space for Ogier and Latvala to go through the route. If they communicate with organization and team and got to know Ogier puncture, then it is suspicious. Did they told organization they were blocking the road??Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
{edit: brain failure removed}
Or maybe Meeke was just bitter after the puncture and saying things he'll regret.
That is technically possible but events would have unravelled differently. Firstly, failure to press OK within one minute of stopping would have activated the same emergency stage stop procedure as if they had themselves pressed the SOS on FIA Safety Tracking Device. Eg, stage would have been stopped, not red flagged. Also, how Lappi would have known it soon enough not to press it because that would have been his first instinct after getting stuck and before even calling the team on radio (and hear about Ogier's problems). No, that doesn't stand water.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Lappi had rear in the bushes. Could be fire hazard.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
After what Latvala did for Meeke it's stupid to cry for tactics.
You're right. Maybe we'll never know... and maybe nothing like that happend at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkka
it is very weird that the stage was red flagged because of lappi's off. they could have pulled him out within minutes and restarted the stage without any issues.
Do you mind Barca ....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
how close is Salamanca to the rally ? its in the same region as the rally
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...laya-nightclub
Its quite close tot he area of the stages actually... about 100kms from leon and far closer to some of the stages..
nice job FIA... nice job.
can we please get rid of this rally run in an oversized cartel and move it to a real country ???
Of course speculation, but i think Citroen have gone "full sick dog" mode here when they saw the worsening splits of Ogier vs Meeke. And also, Budar was very quick on the attack when interviewed after Lappi went off, saying it was Toyota who were the ones playing games and tactics with Jari starting late.
Citroen/ Ogier should be excluded if they've done what's been speculated. There's a difference between "tactics within the rules" like starting someone on super rally late, to outright cheating by red flagging a stage when there's no reason to. And there wasn't a reason to red flag it, nevermind how strange the timing of it was. Do it straight away or not at all - Ogier was the ONLY relevant WRC car left to finish the stage when it got red flagged....
At least Molly and the others should have some interesting questions to ask for once in the media zone/service coming up ;)
oh man, stop that bullshitQuote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Latvala isn’t a Citroen driver though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morte66
around 100kmQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Oh, you're right. Don't know what I was thinking of...Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Did you see fire or any smoke? "rear in a bushes" it's not a reason for fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by lnvs
Well if Citroen did something blatantly wrong (like telling Lappi to push SOS button) then they should and will be punished.
The other option is that they just went to the organizers and said "the car is in a turn and you don't have any marshals there to slow cars down, we don't want to get any dangerous situation or damage". Under this pressure the organizers could have decided to stop the stage. That kind of behavior is obviously questionable but they will be hardly punished as it was not their decision.
Did you see there wasn't any fire or smoke? Hopefully we get some clarification soon to get over this nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
I wasn’t the only one who noticed this !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by the sniper
Molly misquoted Kris and said Meeke accused "You" of dirty tactics when speaking to Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Kris clearly said Citroen.
Obviously "you" in that case means Citroen which Ogier is part of. Clearly Ogier couldn't play dirty tactics when he is on the stage and can't communicate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
Or a few more big tunnels than they have already...but this time with jumps.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by RallyTyger
Yeah, I noticed that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
No good will come of this.
guys, too much of conspiracy theories...
WRC cars have decent system which sends data to rally HQ in case of car stopped, G-forces, temperatures, etc, etc. So it's not that easy to cheat. Plus organizers also watching TV so seeing what is happening...
When you press red button, then ambulance needs to go, etc and nothing like that happened.
Also not pressing OK button during 1min is not automatically stopping the stage, if it would be like that then you will have it happening few times every wrc event (normal event, with +50 participants:), just look on Notice Board after the event, how many penalties for not pressing OK in time.
#tyre info - Day 2 afternoon
@ElfynEvans, @OttTanak, @krismeeke, @JariMattiWRC, @thierryneuville & @DaniSordo: 5 MICHELIN LTX Force Hard (H4)
@AMikkelsenRally: 3 M6 + 2 H4
@SebOgier: 5 H4 + 1 M6
Yeah, the theories about Citroen seem to be bit of a stretch. I think the red flag was unnecessary, but most likely it was just due to overcautious organizers and somewhat unfortunate location of the stuck car (right behind the turn blocking the standard outside line).
Seems Makinen has backtracked from Meeke's comment and not condemned Citroen at all:
https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makinen-...aivat-noottia/
Ha gate shut on Mikkelsen !
lol
Ban this rally, they have the gate closed for mikkelsen
Fuck sake. Get rid of this rally lol
Yeah, tractors on the road are better... or fire trucks...... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by er88
You'd think by now Mexico would've placed marshalls at these gates?!!!
Poland has gone and Australia is on shaky ground ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight