27th Kennards Hire Rally Australia 2018 • 15-18 November

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16th November 2018, 19:15
spiderem

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Originally Posted by T16

Am I right in thinking it starts at about 20:10 UK time tonight. Cheers.

it starts in about 30 minutes
16th November 2018, 19:15
mousti

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Originally Posted by eib1

@Michelin_Sport

Cloudy no rain expected this morning.

Damn... :(

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16th November 2018, 19:19
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by able1

well toyoda san can hire couple of ninjas to whack them both ... nothing in fia rules prohibits it :D There are unwritten rules in any Team sport , team tactics is part of it.

You don't seem to know anything about Japanese culture, do You?
16th November 2018, 19:26
KKS

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Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

Team orders are entirely legal and don't directly impact or sabotage another driver's chances at anything like placing a rock on a crest or purposely hiring cars to crash into other competitors would.

I can't believe what you're saying.

we talk about cheats, but not about breaking a law. All M-Sport movement not broke any rule now or even in Sweden. But all this stuff is a shame.

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

You've gone too far. What You're talking about equals to a crime. Just that other teams don't make it public You think they don't apply team orders? Delaying a car in the service, ordering a driver not to be faster than his teammate, that's what teams has been always used.

Yes, to show other extreme value.

Can you give me an example of modern era when other team do orders which hurts team-mates?

I say only that price for such a championship title is worthless, when everything was done for you by a team. Can you give it by yourself? - nope. A team giving you a prize. So it's not you a champion, it's a people of a team make you champion.
16th November 2018, 19:30
EstWRC

Latvala & Tänak & Lappi: 2 H4 + 3 M6

Ogier & Evans & Suninen: 4 M6 + 1 H4

Neuville: 5 M6

Paddon: 3 H4 + 2M6

Mikkelsen: 3 M6 + 2 H4

Breen: 5 M6

Ostberg: 3 M6 + 2H4
16th November 2018, 19:31
br21

Drivers championship is always trophy of whole team, not driver alone codrives himself, coordinates, designs the car, engineers it, runs it, changes gboxes, tires, etc and finally not him alone pays for it...
In some series (like australian V8 Supercars) there are even rules describing what is alowed and what not on team orders, it's normal part of the game
16th November 2018, 19:33
mknight

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Originally Posted by KKS

All M-Sport movement not broke any rule now or even in Sweden.

That is not true. They clearly broke rules in Sweden and got penalized for it. It's just that the rule+penalty system wasn't changed after Power Stage points were added, so the penalty to total time didn't hurt them.
16th November 2018, 19:34
able1

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Originally Posted by stefanvv

You don't seem to know anything about Japanese culture, do You?

My infinite insight into japanese culture comes from 100 percent accurate blockbuster and timeless classic " Last Samurai" .
16th November 2018, 19:36
EstWRC

stop this BS already

we have a amazing day ahead
16th November 2018, 19:37
eib1

AT 06:44 - DRAMA ALREADY
On that note, we've had drama already. Ott Tänak suffered a hydraulic failure as he started to leave the service park. The team pushed him back into the Toyota service area, changed hydraulic parts and he's underway now
16th November 2018, 19:39
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by KKS

Can you give me an example of modern era when other team do orders which hurts team-mates?

Cough, cough.... errrm I can give You plenty but I don't want to. I prefer to talk about hurt. What is done in M-Sport that has hurt Evans' or Suninen's ambitions in the current championship? Was there a case when they are robbed with a rally victory or championship fights?

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Originally Posted by KKS

I say only that price for such a championship title is worthless, when everything was done for you by a team. Can you give it by yourself? - nope. A team giving you a prize. So it's not you a champion, it's a people of a team make you champion.

A TEAM. Remember that word when talking about achieving a common goal. But continuing the discussion is pointless, now the rally continues.
16th November 2018, 19:40
KKS

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Originally Posted by mknight

That is not true. They clearly broke rules in Sweden and got penalized for it. It's just that the rule+penalty system wasn't changed after Power Stage points were added, so the penalty to total time didn't hurt them.

Penalized? Really? They penalized only at Mexico PS for cutting a chicane. Only result of Ogier hiding in a forest in Sweden is only new rule: "PS points only if you start in given order". Ogier 4pts for PS still here.
16th November 2018, 19:40
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by eib1

AT 06:44 - DRAMA ALREADY
On that note, we've had drama already. Ott Tänak suffered a hydraulic failure as he started to leave the service park. The team pushed him back into the Toyota service area, changed hydraulic parts and he's underway now

doesnt surprise me at all anymore...this season just keeps punching him all the way
16th November 2018, 19:42
mousti

Can't Mikkelsen clock in 20 minutes too early?

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16th November 2018, 19:42
mknight

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKS

Penalized? Really? They penalized only at Mexico PS for cutting a chicane. Only result of Ogier hiding in a forest in Sweden is only new rule: "PS points only if you start in given order". Ogier 4pts for PS still here.

You drinking too much today?

Off course he got 4:10 timepenalty for being late in the TC.....
16th November 2018, 19:42
er88

How many minutes between Serderitis and Neuville??? Hopefully a lot or dust could maybe be an issue
16th November 2018, 19:43
mknight

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Originally Posted by er88

How many minutes between Serderitis and Neuville??? Hopefully a lot or dust could be an issue

5 min
16th November 2018, 19:44
Essaj

I have nothing against gentelemen drivers but watching them riding 5 mins straight on All Live is a "bit" boring.
16th November 2018, 19:44
mousti

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Originally Posted by er88

How many minutes between Serderitis and Neuville??? Hopefully a lot or dust could maybe be an issue

3 minutes normally. But I think it's more.

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16th November 2018, 19:44
Tauri_J

5 minutes of Serderidis, jesus christ

I'd rather watch paint dry
16th November 2018, 19:44
EstWRC

Serderidis ddoesnt even make any dust
16th November 2018, 19:46
racerx1979

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Originally Posted by mousti

Can't Mikkelsen clock in 20 minutes too early?

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good point..
16th November 2018, 19:48
Fast Eddie WRC

Leave it out all this about Ogier / M-Sport cheating.

They use team-orders which are perfectly legal. And let's be honest Evans and Sunninen have only been ahead of Ogier due to their better start positions, not because they are faster drivers.
16th November 2018, 19:48
able1

Thierry is in even worse position than yesterday , road clearing wise atleast. Jourdan hardly does anything
16th November 2018, 19:48
KKS

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Originally Posted by mknight

You drinking too much today?

Off course he got 4:10 timepenalty for being late in the TC.....

OK. he got a penalty that didn't get any influence. It's extremely change things. yep.
16th November 2018, 19:48
mousti

Day2 started. Let's hope on some drama!

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16th November 2018, 19:49
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by EstWRC

Serderidis ddoesnt even make any dust

So no sweeping to help Neuville ...
16th November 2018, 19:49
racerx1979

Just tuned in and its Turderidis!!
16th November 2018, 19:50
er88

Why are they showing us Serderidis while Neuville is in stage, it's so annoying.

All season they've had this problem, focus on drivers who are fighting for the championship, fighting for a lead, fighting for position etc, instead of the Sheikh or another driver far back with nothing to play for...
16th November 2018, 19:51
EstWRC

Evans faster than Neuville in split 1
16th November 2018, 19:52
able1

Quote:

Originally Posted by er88

Why are they showing us Serderidis while Neuville is in stage, it's so annoying.

All season they've had this problem, focus on drivers who are fighting for the championship, fighting for a lead, fighting for position etc, instead of the Sheikh or another driver far back with nothing to play for...

i think it is interesting to spectate .. how well average amateur/semi pro driver can perform compared to professional drivers
16th November 2018, 19:54
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by er88

Why are they showing us Serderidis while Neuville is in stage, it's so annoying.

All season they've had this problem, focus on drivers who are fighting for the championship, fighting for a lead, fighting for position etc, instead of the Sheikh or another driver far back with nothing to play for...

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16th November 2018, 19:55
able1

could fair amount of rain turn things around for Thierry ?
16th November 2018, 19:56
Tauri_J

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Originally Posted by able1

could fair amount of rain turn things around for Thierry ?

dont think so

too big of a gap
16th November 2018, 19:56
mousti

Quote:

Originally Posted by able1

could fair amount of rain turn things around for Thierry ?

It should be, but there is no rain.. So he's fucked.

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16th November 2018, 19:58
tpt010

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Originally Posted by KKS

"Let's see if a God of a rally existing ;)"© TN

Yes He does, but He is not participating this event. Was in Catalunya though.
16th November 2018, 20:02
mousti

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Originally Posted by able1

Neuville +28 sec slower than Evans .. sad

That are the overall standings ;)

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16th November 2018, 20:03
able1

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Originally Posted by mousti

That are the overall standings ;)

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yup .. noticed ty
16th November 2018, 20:04
spiderem

doesn't seem to be cleaning that much, ogier only 2.8 up on Neuville. I guess he takes it easy too

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