Ogier doesn't have a winning car either so he certainly won't be World Champion
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Ogier doesn't have a winning car either so he certainly won't be World Champion
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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
You usually say the truth... about 1% of the time :talk:Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
but funnier is that jparker immediately liked this post :D
He certainly has a massive hatred for Ford... Must have been run over by one as a kid or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Are you jparker in disguise?Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Or, or a parade of a local Ford owners club ran over his dog or something :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
I have to say the "the general rally public" seems to escape analysis. Like most of the American public it believes fiercely and passionately in the appearance of things and what it is told repeatedly...Therefore the role of corporate generated "media" (press releases, tweet, face-book, paid "fan" blogs or whatever else for news that costs them no effort) is where they learn things they know.Quote:
Originally Posted by smokingjoe
Appearance is EVERYTHING in America, and of course it is the same in rally here..
So since was a little noise by an extreme minority, including me, saying or more asking "wow what does this say about of sport here, and more pointedly, about our obsession with "the need for" either 2,0 or 2,5 liter turbo Subies being "vital" to making top placements OA?", the results were mainly only luke warmly reported and quickly buried under the next "amazing" victory of "our rally super-stars"..
Personally since I have been waging an almost 25 year campaign to promote "affordable, sensible, sustainable" cars---which, like most countries means 2wd normal aspirated and probably RWD cars, I have used those results and also Paddon's Overall Win at NZRC Otago in the 1600 BDA powered Escort agian and again to say "In a mere 1.6 n.a. motor in an old 2wd car it was good enough for these finishes...and beating every single turbo 4wd car in the whole country bar (in Reeves case) 2 Open big engined awd hand build specials with twice the HP, 3 x the torque, 40% more suspension and twice the drive wheels..
That is PROOF that ALL those other guys have made serious errors in their choice of car and their huge spending on those 4wd turbo things....and might go a ways toward explaining why so many in North America come in, make a lot of noise (Professional! Serious! NEW! say the press/tweet/Facebook posts) , do a few events, maybe a couple of 4 event seasons, then drop out."
Rinse and repeat..
The 'merikans always counter "things are different "there".... Where ever there is..
Yep gravity is different, gravel is gravellier, left and right are different, centrifugal force is different...That expalins Reeves and the Ozzi Will Orders before him, Paddon really good showing..
Enough to make a normal man take to drink.
If they're slow in a 4wd turbo thing they would probably be even slower in a 2wd NA thing. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Understand the point about running costs etc though.
There are rummors about Mikkelsen and toyota,anyone?
Only on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
But this forum is good at predictios, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Not sure what TGR plans are, but they can't get the manu title without 2 top drivers, and at the moment Mikkelsen is best option.
They've already got Lappi under contract too, give the kid a chance!
I was quoting NOT to state that if he believe JML doesn't have a winning car to be Champion, nor does Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Sarcasm.
Ogier has won a round.
JML has won a round.
You can see, they both have winning cars and can be World Champions.
Yes, Lappi is maybe another nice bit of surprise from TGR, I wish him best of luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
It doesn't make it a rumor if someone tweets something like "Toyota needs Mikkelsen". I'm quite sure Toyota has a plan for 2017 which includes Latvala, Hänninen and Lappi. Period. There's great atmosphere in the team at the moment and Latvala has praised Hänninen as a great team-mate. It wouldn't be a "Japanese" nor a "Finnish" way of doing things to make changes after just two rallies, especially when everything has gone better than was expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
Never been a fan of Mikkelsen myself and I don't get how it suddenly is the biggest travesty of all-time that he's not driving in WRC at the moment. It's not like one of Sebs would have had to sit out a season during the past 10 years or so.
I'm sure TGR have plans, but IF they find themselves couth in their own success, it will be wize to use that momentum and adjust. If Lappi can fill that gap it will be perfect, but Mikkelsen has proven record, and I suspect he won't be availabe forever.
Anyway, this is pure speculation. I'm sure TGR team know better where thay stand, and what to do.
In all this noise a very few observers are noticing the shine of a young irish boy taking two 5th places in his first full season at WRC. He was also with an "old" WRC car in Monte.
Let's analyze his outcomes in the WRC the last two years:
- 8 events
- One podium
- 46 points total
- 7 out of 8 times on points (I personally think this is the most impressive one, along with the podium in Finland)
- competitive on all surfaces
- Not an excuse or a whine when he had problems, only blaming himself and trying to improve
I'm sure this list will have way more bullet points at the end of the year...
56 points*Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
10 events* after Sweden, let's hope he continues like this.
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First is right, second is not. I'm talking about last two years. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Thanks anyway! :)
Totally agreed. The progress Breen has shown during the past 12+ months is quite incredible.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
You're welcome :) but even back in 2014 he finished twice on the points (ok he retired because of medical issues in Finland, but before hand he was running 9th) and I agree with you. I hope he will become a team leader at some point, sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
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Though I might be wrong, but Breen has reached his peak. In Sweden he had it all and a 5th place should only have been a 8th to raw speed I think. He will be a good 3rd driver. Wait for Mikkelsen joining Citroen.
Some of us have been supporting Breen for years (me since 2010) and always had faith in him reaching the top.
Throughout his recent pre-WRC days, and especially during his ERC campaigns I was always behind him (as those that use the ERC forum will testify).
He always had the speed and talent but suffered from errors. However these soon reduced and then his progress was tempered by bad luck, car problems and even tragedy.
I am so pleased he is finally being recognised for what I always saw and that he now has the chance at the top level. He has not disappointed.
3rd in WRC 3 years in a row. Beating Ogier in same car in straight fight in Portugal and Australia. 2 rally wins in 2016 (Ogier 6, MIkkelsen and Meeke 2, others 1), without start position advantage. Clearly better than his teammate Latvala in 2016 (You know, the guy that is leading WRC atm.). Won the last rally of the season by his speed only (not like Duval back in a day).Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Instead you have at least 4 drivers which are clearly worse than him driving "factory" seats:
Hanninen (has always been inconsistent, with 6th place as best ever result, 2 years away)
Breen (not (yet) there, even though he's improving a lot)
Lefebvre (not (yet) there)
Evans (fast on tarmac, too bad most events are gravel)
Btw. Mikkelsen is 10 years younger than Meek, 2 years younger than Paddon, 1/2 year younger than Evans and 1/2 year older than Breen.
Most people also noticed how the team bosses of both Citroen and Toyota went public in October/November complaining about the lack of good available drivers. Then VW pulled out and they didn't hire a guy that is clearly top 5 in the world atm.
Sure you can argue about contracts, but where there is will there is a way.
What.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Have to disagree.Breen was running in a new car (when everyone else already had a rally under their belt).That car probably lacks a bit speed and his road position wasn't the best.Despite all that he had a pretty much mistake free rally, didn't took uneccessary risks like his team mate and brought the car safely home.We will have to see more of him with the C3 before making judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Did we watch a different rally? He made pretty much one mistake per stage on day one. After that he just backed off by a lot and just cruised and built confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
Agree with the rest though.
People have always underestimated Breen. He has been written off as reaching his peak so many times and at every level...
He never did a full championship, just less than a dozen outing at WRC and you think he has reached his peak already? In a sport where experience counts more than age?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I know he has plenty of experience on other cars and championships but it's not the same thing. Mikkelsen is driving in WRC since 2006-7 and still last year he made progress.
I admit I was one of them and I'm glad I was wrong. He is very committed and really love the sport. We need more people like him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Must have seen this same post about 20 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
He's absolute class but is he worth either a courtroom battle or the expense of adding an additional car out of thin air? Clearly team bosses didn't think so. The only place I think he had a shot is Dmack. But who knows how those negotiations went. Maybe he wanted paying. There are also things called loyalty and honour when it comes to contracts, agreements and relationships.
There's no need argue with any of that. Mikkelsen had a fantastic 2016 during which he without a doubt outperformed Latvala. It's just vulgar and funny at the same time, how people (i.e. the fans) are demanding him to replace one of the contracted guys in (pick team) after just two rallies. Ofcourse he has a better resume than any of the guys you mentioned. It's not about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
VW announced its withdrawal in November - it's somewhat surprising that 2/3 of the VW drivers have a full-time seat for 2017. What happened to Solberg and Atkinson in 2008? Or to Auriol, Kankkunen and Schwarz in 1995? That's just the way it goes and VW is the one to blame.
In a nutshell:
Does Mikkelsen deserve a full-time seat in WRC? Yes.
Should that happen at the cost of any of the current WRC guys (either young or old or somewhere in-between)? No.
Maybe not now. But if you invest in something and it sooner or later turns out to become more or less a driverfailure, Mikkelsen will turn up in a WRC seat. Be sure of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
levebre out mikkelsen in.
Currently I'd prefer N.O.T out and Mikkelsen in
Breen delivers points for Citroen when Meeke crash but do you see him defending a podium? Absolutely not. He is Sordo2, silent waiting to inherit 6th place from 8th.
This is not the appropriate thread anyway.
He actually did it last year in Finland. At his only fifth event with a WRC car...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Lefebvre is doing the same, and he´s slower than Breen at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
too early to judge Breen.Till now he performs better than most waited.
Latvala after 10 years in a row at wrc last year had a very bad year.
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