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? So quit then.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
No one saw this coming! Insane last days in norwegian rallying :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Can some norwegian translate this? There are statements from floene and ostberg but can't properly understand them with google translate.
http://www.tv2.no/2015/12/06/sport/rally/7752946
Is it right that Mads offered Ola a long term contract and Mikkelsen didn't?
Why? Andreas told Ola that he is not in the future plans..Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
The only ones who had time to come with one days warningQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yes, its seems right.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Correct.. Mikkelsen dident see Ola in future plans.. And Ola is going to work with Mads for the next couple season.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Some more strange news..
My godnness, after years wondering why Mikkelsen left Ola in 2013, and getting the answer by Lundefaret only two days ago now we are at it again. LOL!
It has been a long term plan to make a co-driver of one of Mikkelsens best friends, but i hadn't thought this happens already.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoName
But i remember Ola said after the comeback as Andreas co-driver that he was looking 3-4 years more of codriving. Maybe that was according to this plan?
I must say I feel a bit sorry for it. Ola and Andreas were a great couple of friends. Always smiling and having fun together.
Ola's contract was expiring after 2016, but he feels he has more years in him, so then Mads gave him an offer he said yes.
Interesting her is that Jonas is in EVEN management now, Ola quit EVEN by this.
And rumours tonight says Veiby Jr notereader Anders Jæger will team up with Mikkelsen in 16.
Okay, hold Your horses :)
In the official statement from Adapta, Ola says that his contract with EVEN Management was to the end of 2016.
The situation was:
- M Østberg was without a codriver, his former was signed by EVEN Management.
- Ola Fløene had only one year left of his contract with EVEN Management.
The situation is:
- Mads Østberg hires Ola Fløene.
- Andreas Mikkelsen is whit out a codriver.
Mads has tested both Ilka Minor and Emil Axelsson, and says in his statement that both worked very good.
But what have happened behind closed doors since Jonas Andersson left for EVEN Management?
Either Ola or Mads had to make the first move to contact each other.
If Ola did it - and this is purely speculation - he could have had two main objectives:
1) Trying to prolong the contract with EVEN Management by letting them know that there was other interested parties.
2) Trying to get certainty around his own future in the WRC.
If it was the first one, and knowing the guys behind EVEN Management, this - presented in the wrong way - I would not think would be a good tactic to get a prolonged contract.
One thing is if You play with open cards and say that You are on the lookout, another thing is when You spring a surprise one someone that has invested A LOT of money and time in a project You are involved in. But we will probably never know.
The second objective is an honest one, Olas future in the WRC beyond 2016 was very uncertain, and he wants to make it more certain.
If Mads (or his team) made the first move, his main objectives could have been:
1) First the obvious one, he needs a new codriver, so to contact the only WRC codriver that speaks Norwegian is not entirely illogical, given that he also probably knew about Olas contract ending after 2016.
2) EVEN Management of course signed his codriver, so getting a codriver and "getting back" could off course have increased the motivation to choose Fløene, but I neither think or hope that this kind of factors play a part in important decisions like this.
3) Ola Fløene was the codriver for Morten Østberg for a period, and they know each other quit well, so Mads will know what he is going too, for both good and bad.
So what will happen with Mikkelsen:
There is mainly two alternatives:
1) Take on Jonas Andersson and let Pontus Tideman have Anders Jæger who most certainly was set for Andreas for the 2017 season. To prime his future codriver for one more year before he hits the big league.
2) Take on Anders Jæger, to start this long to be partnership one year early.
Well, its not an easy one. And both decisions can be good ones.
What do I think will happen?
I think Anders Jæger will be Andreas codriver from 2016.
Why? Mikkelsens WRC-career has been somewhat plagued with questions and instability around his codriver.
Anders Jæger has preformed well in the car of OC Veiby.
2016 will for Andreas be another year playing third fiddle to Ogier and Latvala, so they will have the oppertunity to use 2016 as a "practice" season.
2017 is probably the first season Mikkelsen will be in a similar - or more similar - car to Ogier and Latvala on all surfaces and in all rallies - because of the new regulations and brand new cars. So the team can have 2017 year marked as Andreas Year of a real brake trough.
If Jæger is Mikkelsens codriver from 2016, I believe this will be a very positive thing for Mikkelsen.
Spending so much time together, a good relationship is vital for motivation and results, and I think that Mikkelsen has been left some what wanting in this respect.
2016 will let us know who chose the longest straw in this ordeal.
Interesting insights there from Lundefaret, but from Ola's perspective there must be the hurt he felt when he was summarily dropped in favour of Markkula. A long-term contract is what he deserves and VW may regret their approach. I don't see Hyundai asking Paddon to ditch Kennard any time soon!!
My opinion is, regardless of who is his co-driver, in an equal car Mikkelsen will always be 3rd behind the Champ and JML.
I think you have to replace VW with Even Management..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
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Maybe Mikkelsen will pick Emil Axelsson? Mikkelsen codriver to Ostberg, Ostberg codriver to Tidemand, so maybe Tidemand codriver to Mikkelsen??
Me too wonder where does Emil A fit in? Or has he already a codriver seat.
He could replace Ola, couldn´t he?
Even Management and VW - what a combination. Who´s fooling who?
Rally.it contacted Mikkelsen that explained his versione of facts.
If translate does not work ask me :) http://www.rally.it/la-girandola-co-...eno-illazioni/
Btw, it almost confirms Lundefaret's insights.
Pls give us a short brief from what the article said.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
at last 2 paragraphs cant understand what he said.
It sums up the situation we all know and then says that they contacted Mikkelsen who answered them with this statement.
"Actually I'm not surprised that Ole changed the driver, he asked me a new contract, longer, of about 2 or 3 years, and an increase of the salary considering that from when he came back everything went better for me. I've improved my driving style, more precise and with less errors and therefore less crashes, I've reached very good results and won our first WRC event in Spain.
All this was conflicting with the programs of the company who takes care of my rally interests, the Even Management. They're training a good codriver and trying to bring him in the WRC soon, I think in 2017. Now we have two choices, or we find a free codriver for one year or we will accelerate the training of the young guy and bring him with us one year earlier, just from Rally Montecarlo 2016."
It's strange Mikkelsen answered them and none of others magazine. It didn't even use inverted commas. But this is what the article says.
At the end of the article the author backs Floene choice because he thinks he has all the rights to make such requests and that codrivers are not broiler chickens.
Of course Co-Drivers can have a choice! Why wouldn't they. They too are making a living, it's their job. If you can't get a good deal then you move on!
probably Ola knew that at next year he will be without seat,when Veibys co-driver would be ready for the big league.Ostbergs situation gave him the chance for better? money and more years contract.
Jaeger to codrive Mikkelsen, Floene with Ostberg, Andersson with Tidemand. If Axelsson goes with Veiby we close the circle and we all can move on.
Anders Jæger is Mikkelsens new co-driver.
So then 1 driver is left, @ocveiby.
Who will he hire, Axelsson, or a new norwegian talent?
Does Jaeger has any family relations with the management of EVEN?
Good friend of Andreas.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
He started co-driving 2 years ago, and is seen as a big talent. Has also attended at tests with Andreas.
so everybody happy
Ola with better money and multi year contract
Jaeger up to the big league
Andersson under the EVEN umbrella.
Don't know if everybody is happy. Maybe Mikkelsen and Ola would have liked to stayed together hoping for a new contract for Floene.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
if Ola would like to stay,he could stay.He preffered to go away,and imho he was right.
For sure EVEN is not happy.Watch how they announced Olas separation.But they hadnt got any problem when Andersson left Ostberg for a EVEN pilot few hours before Monte testing.
https://evenmanagement.no/
you all worry too much about co-drivers... they are not really that important.
Yes they started this whole saga themselves, would be interesting to know if they'd have done the same in hindsight.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Erik Veiby
@VeibyErik
After last days codriver swops @OCVeiby needs a codriver�� Any suggestions? @EVENmanagement @JuniorWRC @OfficialWRC #2Motor @CitroenRacing
24 January is far away, we need something to talk about no matter if important or not. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Agree he is right but if he stayed he stayed only for 2016. So maybe he hoped for an extension of contract considering he worked well.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
EVEN should not blame him for choosing a longer deal with more money with another driver. If he stayed with them he hardly would have been back in WRC.
I must say you prove your unexperience in that quote. That´s for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T