Agree with you 100% the best footage so far!Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bu_1UOHRvM
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Agree with you 100% the best footage so far!Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bu_1UOHRvM
I prefer the camera to be a little bit higher than in this video. Most of the time the road ahead of the car is not visible.
+1 just a little bit higher would be perfect!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Also this angle if perfect imho... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx45JvkxIvY
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Originally Posted by papar007
And how it looks like when mounted on the top of the seat flap, a bit too high.
http://youtu.be/W6YeCwB9_6Y?t=1m3s
So this is best, had i just mounted it a bit better on the side of the seat flap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQeYHQ3zCU
Both with external mic.
Mikkelsen back to his old co-driver - Floene. One of the few experiements that VW totally messed up will be fixed.
What will happen with Pontus..?
RXQuote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Full time RX? I thought he was going to do both WRC and RX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gard
And his WRC-2 program as a WRC Academy winner..?
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This is true, rally drivers are not stars anymore. I think Grönholm was the last really carismatic driver there. His flamboyant comments and personality made him a star. Ok Petter for sure was also like that. But after them, these current ones look like accountants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
But I agree also that loosing events like Safari and with the current format, the sport has lost the endurance and adventure aspects.
But we must also note that the world has changed, so many things around us are so much different than in 1970's-1990's, many new extrme sports to compete from the attention of the young generation. And let's face it, rallying is a difficult and expensive sport to get into, many of the new extreme ones are much easier and cheaper.
Best years of rally was for me the E30 M3 prodrive/subaru 555/Evo 5 and 6. It was awesome you saw subaru s and evo s line up next to rally stages. Rally cars were spectacular in group a. Now the rally cars are more like buggy s if you see how much wheel travel they have. In the early days they need a scandinavian flick to turn the car into a corner. Now they drive on rails and lost attention from the spectators. The same happens to F1 right now and it will also happen to DTM were they change to 4 cilinder engines in 2 years time.
The future of autosport is not looking good. Fia organization kills autosport with all this fuel saving programs and smaller engines. When the spectators stay away the sponsors will go away for sure and then eventually the sport is killed.
If you just look at some youtube movies people screaming and cheering when a RWD Escort / E30 M3 / Cossie is driving sideways on the stages. Even in rally s today it s more a head turner then 4wd fiesta s and ds3 s all together. And the most boring rallycar is a fwd for spectators.
Something has to change!!!
I don't think FWD must be so boring. On asphalt if I shall choose whether Evo VI or 306 Maxi I take the Maxi any day. S1600 cars were pretty great on asphalt too.
fwd in rally is a parody. actually, fwd in any motorsport is a parody.
An FWD parody...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEi3PLeEARs
How much ignorance a man needs to write some BS like that...
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Originally Posted by Mirek
Pretty unbelievable...
I guess these guys have never seen Jeanno Ragnotti, or Pavel Silbera on a good day in the old Favorits.
Boring is boring regardless of drive configuration..
Come to USA and see 80% boringly driven Subarus in turbo 4wd.
Remembering Thiry in the Xsara Kitcar in Ypres. Was a great force then against stronger cars!
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What I see is a car that sounds loud, has a powerful engine and is driven by a capable driver. Nothing that can't be achieved by RWD or AWD. What is the specific advantage the FWD gives - the struggle in the hairpins or the lift-up of the operating axle when you hit the trottle, the understeer that you get when exiting a corner?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I kind of understand what you mean. They have a very ugly way of sliding...Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Limit suspension travel to half of what it is now, limit tire grip by decreasing with and softness, drop the engine redtrictor so You get higher revs, and make the regulation in favour of multi cylindre naturaly aspirated with no silencers on the stages.
Rally has to look, sound and smell fast.
And last but not least, make the TV coverage much better (give it to Eurosport).
If You can couple this with an online/PS4 rally simulator based on the physics of Richard Burns Rally where fa
ns can play against their heroes in real time, I think You have a winner;)
Watching Rallye Acores on Eurosport and I've noticed two things: onboard cameras in the favoured behind-driver position; and the heli shots aren't too bad - though the stage around that volcano is the only stage in the world that I could say that about :D
I spoke too soon - it seems it's only the older S2000s that have the onboard camera in a good position :(
And only because works Škodas are not there... they always have the camera in the right bottom windscreen corner :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Talking about 306 Maxi, there will be a trophy in Rallye des Vins Mâcons 2014. For the moment, around 10 and 15 cars will come. But If you know drivers from other countries like France who owe car, or would like to rent one for such trophy (Italian teams are available for this), please contact me ! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asKuYgAcyIk :PQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
We used to have two cars here but both are long gone :(Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
Actually maybe they were three. I don't know if one changed owner or if it was third one. In the past 306 Maxi was successfully used by Jindřich Štolfa (he was challenging WRC drivers with it), second by Josef Peták also successfully until he crashed it hard. The third (or maybe the one of Štolfa) was used by Marian Šín. Peták's car was the best of them, from Racing Lions. Štolfa's one was worse, it had only 6-speed gearbox and no traction control.
Epic duel till last meter at the SATA Açores Rally.
We just get the proof Eurosport guys use their brains really well!!! They've brought to fans another celebration of the rallying spirit.
FIA: no need to invent shootout circus schemes for the WRC, just put the eyes on ERC and get the right elements into place – challenging roads, balanced regs and proper media cover.
Congrats to the Azorian organizers. They've prove, again, that Portuguese are between the best ones.
Do you know who owe them now ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Yes, gimmicks are not necessary when you have a close battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
The live tv coverage, although not perfect, was far superior to the stuff I saw from Monte and Sweden this year. I don't know if WRC guys have upped their game since though?
Unfortunately not.Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
Rewatching those clips I think it is definitely clear that these days WRC is far too clinical and boring. Back in the 90s (and I imagine the 80s too), there was far less predictability to the results, the cars and the drivers. The driving was much more obviously on the limit and the cars broke down too, so plenty to mean that there really was many options as to who could win. And the ability to even upset the top guys from time to time in a privateer or 2WD car.
Now, well it's either VW or Citroen dominating. And no personalities or crazy antics. It's all a bit PC, like a lot of this world!
Some years ago I wrote something similar to the following on this forum;
" In the 70's we had Grp 4. The cars were fast and spectacular and exciting to watch.
In the 80's we had Grp B. The cars were fast and spectacular and exciting to watch.
In the 90's we had Grp A. The cars were fast and spectacular and exciting to watch.
In the 00's we had WRC's. The cars were fast and spectacular and exciting to watch."
As somebody wrote in an earlier post, a Grp4 BDA or E30 BMW is still a good spectacle when driven well ... 4 decades later.
As much as rally cars ought look like rally cars, sound like rally cars and go like rally cars, it is the driver who makes them spectacular on the stages and, as can be seen by the videos of Panizzi & Ragnotti, even 2WD cars can be exciting in the right hands.
The spectators perception of speed and spectacle is not a year by year comparison, it's an on event observation comparing competitors to their rivals.
For me the 70's was the era, simply because not since the Grp 4 days have we had a credible competition which was both accessible and affordable to top domestic competitors as well as those with factory support.
Imagine if golf, the world's most popular and televised spectator sport, was played every week by just half a dozen 'paying' players (not necessarily the most talented) whose equipment was so superior to every other players ensuring no one else came within 10 shots of them.
The sport would lose credibility and popularity very rapidly and very soon vanish from the television screens.
Yet this is exactly the scenario we've had in WRC since the advent of Grp B over 30 years ago. And we cannot understand why the sport is not popular.
Now imagine if you will, if Grp N became the WRC formula tomorrow (No, I'm not at all suggesting it should be).
However, if it were, immediately you'd have a hundred or so compliant and competitive cars around the world capable of being driven to WRC victory, at an affordable level, and probably a couple of dozen competitors all equally capable of competing at the top level.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say that, had Grp N been the WRC formula for the past 10 years, we would not have 10 consecutive engravings of Sebastion on the trophy. And the majority of the present and recently departed WRC drivers would not have been in sight of a podium.
You'd have a competition which was accessible to those with the talent, and the grit necessary to make it happen, and one with real credibility. Until the WRC moves to a formula also used in domestic championships and is accessible to more than a handful of 'selected' players and a few with rich daddies, it'll fail to gain any traction or popularity.
A modern day Grp 4 is what we need.
The problem with something like gr.4 or gr.A is that the world has changed through the years. Dozens of manufacturers all over the world have been connecting into few huge corporations. They've been standardizing production towards the biggest possible masses of simple parts. Marketing values changed from performance to safety and ecology. Even the audience have changed. While thirty years a go every teenager was dreaming about having his own car now it's not like that. For majority of people cars are just goods. Very few people are interested in knowing how they work and what is under the bonnet. For us motorsport freaks it's sad but unfortunately it's reality. What once worked sometimes work again but I'm afraid it doesn't apply for motorsport.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes...uts/index.html he is going to ruin the sport, the drivers are against it, and no he wants to continue with the idea. i'm sorry for saying this but god this man is stupid!!!
Out of curiosity... has anyone of You ever met a single person who likes the idea? I haven't...
This discussion (as a larger phenomenon, not this thread) has three major problems:
1. Fans don't understand the marketing needs of manufacturers/teams.
2. Manufacturers/teams don't do the circus for the hardcore fans but for average joes - and the subsequent failure to understand this.
3. Longing for the past times that won't return. World has changed.
I'm in no means in favour of Capito's shootout idea, in my opinion it isn't rallying at all. But to my knowledge, VW has been quite disappointed to the media coverage and promotion of WRC. We have to understand them a bit, they pour in millions for what? Lousy promotion and media services like crap? If promotion would have been and would be done in a correct way, Capito wouldn't need to ask these spectator-magnets to be made.
lololololQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
To be honest, I've never seen any publicity of VW talking about rally. Except maybe something in Autohebdo (but I'm not sure it was VW and not a partner using a pic of the VW). But people who read Autohebdo know perfectly that VW is doing rally, and is winning...
I'm not really familiar with commercials of various carmakers as I have no TV (really :) ) but it's true I don't remember any VW rally related one. On the other hand there has been a lot of those from Škoda (at least here in CZ).