Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

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2nd June 2011, 16:56
GigiGalliNo1

I say it's the stones fault. Fine the stone on the road.
2nd June 2011, 17:49
tfp

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Originally Posted by MikeD

Pffff!

Quite an impressive cheating rate they have at Citroën. 6 manu titles and 7 driver's titles by cheating ... wow! ... They have fooled all of us, but a good thing you made us aware of all their cheating :rolleyes:

Maybe Ford should just change their approch to the WRC. It's pathetic the lack of titles despite their long involvement in the sport. The managament is not good enough. The reliability is not good enough. Their drivers aren't fast enough. That's why they keep losing and then you can all stand on the side shouting "cheaters" at their opponents instead of focusing on where the issue of the lack of results really are!

I wouldnt say cheating, I would say its more down to PSA pouring insane amounts of money at their projects.
2nd June 2011, 17:51
tfp

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Originally Posted by bowler

closed

THANKYOU:-) Thats all I wanted to know:-)
Does anyone have the footage of Petter swearing wildly at the cameras after his steering pump gave up? Its really funny!
2nd June 2011, 18:05
Bobcat

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Originally Posted by tfp

I wouldnt say cheating, I would say its more down to PSA pouring insane amounts of money at their projects.

The their money is here again:
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._6438337_n.jpg

Rodolfo Fernando Rojo: "The person who did this are not stupid spectator, is paid for it..."

Yeah, it is about money.
2nd June 2011, 18:26
wwbroe

And the stone is not evn at the driving line.....He must have been paid to hit it.
2nd June 2011, 20:30
N.O.T

LOL....
2nd June 2011, 20:49
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeD

Pffff!

Quite an impressive cheating rate they have at Citroën. 6 manu titles and 7 driver's titles by cheating ... wow! ... They have fooled all of us, but a good thing you made us aware of all their cheating :rolleyes:

Maybe Ford should just change their approch to the WRC. It's pathetic the lack of titles despite their long involvement in the sport. The managament is not good enough. The reliability is not good enough. Their drivers aren't fast enough. That's why they keep losing and then you can all stand on the side shouting "cheaters" at their opponents instead of focusing on where the issue of the lack of results really are!

OK. Citroen has won a lot. But remember Mikko (Ford) gave away the title in 2009 because of sportsmanship. Could be an example for the other teams...
2nd June 2011, 20:50
N.O.T

LOL...this thread deserves a sticky......
2nd June 2011, 20:52
Rallyper

and BTW why was there two alternative ways in the roundabout in the first place?
2nd June 2011, 21:04
N.O.T

in order for Citroen to get another win by cheating of course.....i am surprised you even ask such question.
2nd June 2011, 23:07
AndyRAC

Oh dear me, it's over, move on.
3rd June 2011, 11:02
Zeakiwi

Do the stage opening vehicles have forward facing video cameras ?
I would like to see the part of the stage where Latvala hit the rock.
3rd June 2011, 12:15
N.O.T

the rock was placed there from the citroen team...or maybe Mr Bartoz put it there after he removed the tape from the junction....

Some of you guys should quit watching this sport, you have no idea whatsoever about anything....
3rd June 2011, 14:55
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

in order for Citroen to get another win by cheating of course.....i am surprised you even ask such question.

I dont know if you think i´m sarcastic or if you are in your answer, but the qustion I asked is relevant and should have been asked before the rally.
3rd June 2011, 16:10
N.O.T

can a moderator lock this thing ??
3rd June 2011, 17:27
Rallyper

Hehe.... :rotflmao:
3rd June 2011, 19:46
Bobcat

SS13 proves unlucky in Argentina | Flying Finn Blog | Page 1 | WRC News | Jun 2011 | Crash.Net

JML:
"The impact happened in a very quick section and in my opinion it didn't look like the rock had been pulled out of the ruts by any of the other runners. I was first car on the road and normally you don't see rocks like that when you are first, even though it was the second pass, because the 'zero' car has gone through before.

I don't have any confirmation where the rock came from, but it was very big and sharp and it hit a sensitive area. The Fiesta RS WRC is very strong but if a rock that size hits the front suspension on any car it is not going to be able to withstand it.

I didn't have time to think initially and didn't realise how bad it was. I drove about a kilometre after the impact and then I started to notice something wasn't right. The TCA was bent by the impact and later one of the fixing points broke and the left front wheel started to move freely.

In that moment when I was fighting with the problems, I wasn't 100 per cent sure where it had happened. I felt a couple of impacts but later from the onboard camera shots I could see the rock more clearly. I don't know where it came from - although there is a possibility some spectators put it there."
4th June 2011, 02:21
bowler

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Originally Posted by Zeakiwi

Do the stage opening vehicles have forward facing video cameras ?
I would like to see the part of the stage where Latvala hit the rock.

yes they do, but they are for the organisers and the FIA, and are not public
6th June 2011, 16:43
Juha_Koo

Onboard with Petter on the second pass of El Condor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSuJt5mDPYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3CNlC8tzGA

"The junction" is from 19:22 onwards. Interesting... Sounds like atleast Petter/Chris had some pre-information about the cut because of Chris' comments "there's no tape, there's no tape, keep going!"
6th June 2011, 19:42
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Onboard with Petter on the second pass of El Condor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSuJt5mDPYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3CNlC8tzGA

"The junction" is from 19:22 onwards. Interesting... Sounds like atleast Petter/Chris had some pre-information about the cut because of Chris' comments "there's no tape, there's no tape, keep going!"

Citroen had people on the junction who informed their crews before second pass that tape was removed.
7th June 2011, 07:12
Hartusvuori

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Onboard with Petter on the second pass of El Condor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzSuJt5mDPYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3CNlC8tzGA

"The junction" is from 19:22 onwards. Interesting... Sounds like atleast Petter/Chris had some pre-information about the cut because of Chris' comments "there's no tape, there's no tape, keep going!"

Did you heard pacenotes, comments, etc. on this video, because all I get is motor sound.
7th June 2011, 12:54
Juha_Koo

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Originally Posted by Hartusvuori

Did you heard pacenotes, comments, etc. on this video, because all I get is motor sound.

Sounds like you have your left or right audio channel on mute, most WRC onboards in Youtube have ambient sound and intercom audio split to L/R channels.
8th June 2011, 17:09
OldF

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Onboard with Petter on the second pass of El Condor: YouTube - ‪WRC Onboards 2011: Argentina - Petter Solberg SS07. Requested by elbooyakero‬&rlm;

"The junction" is from 19:22 onwards. Interesting... Sounds like atleast Petter/Chris had some pre-information about the cut because of Chris' comments "there's no tape, there's no tape, keep going!"

It looks like Petter is going to drive the longer way but as I could hear it Chris is saying: “Keep on left, keep on left, keep on left”.
8th June 2011, 18:47
DonJippo

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Originally Posted by OldF

It looks like Petter is going to drive the longer way but as I could hear it Chris is saying: “Keep on left, keep on left, keep on left”.

He says "There is no tape keep on left keep on left"
8th June 2011, 19:29
OldF

You’re quite right about that. I had to put my ear close to the speaker and then I barely heard the “there’s no tape” (not so good speakers in a laptop).

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