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1st March 2010, 22:25
F1boat

Quote:

Originally Posted by truefan72

I think he has as good a shot as any to win the title in 2010. The title realistically can be won by 8-9 guys this year. I do think if he wins the WDC he will retire. Conversely after a grueling 19 race season with all the media attention and stuff. I think if he does very well, he might retire this or next year and take an ownership stake in Mercedes GP team. 2 years max I say. Then there will be the Nico/Nico team at Mercedes.

Interesting prediction.
2nd March 2010, 03:07
Saint Devote

Schumacher is not the greatest by percentages. Jim Clark did better than both Senna and Schumacher during a time when the cars were far more fragile, the driver's ability was more vital and the competition was extremely tough.

And all that from a career tragically, prematurely ended and only 72 grands prix. Who knows how much greater he would have been.

In addition, Clark was a multi-disciplined driver and won the Indy 500 during its heyday.

For me, Jim Clark will always be the greatest racing driver - and he was a "nice bloke" as well.
2nd March 2010, 06:51
F1boat

I don't believe in what ifs however. What happened, happened and for me history proves that there were two super dominant drivers, which utterly dominated their era - Michael and Juan Manuel. Actually I think that Fangio has the best percentage? Despite that, every era has its own difficulties and to compare drivers from different eras its a bit like to compare circuit and rally drivers.
2nd March 2010, 07:35
truefan72

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1boat

I don't believe in what ifs however. What happened, happened and for me history proves that there were two super dominant drivers, which utterly dominated their era - Michael and Juan Manuel. Actually I think that Fangio has the best percentage? Despite that, every era has its own difficulties and to compare drivers from different eras its a bit like to compare circuit and rally drivers.

point well taken ;)
2nd March 2010, 08:06
turismo6

Has anyone posted about Red Bulls fake exhaust outlets?

Stickers applied to the rear bodywork, while the real exhaust is mounted alot lower...

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-...tlets-exposed/
2nd March 2010, 11:15
Saint Devote

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1boat

I don't believe in what ifs however. What happened, happened and for me history proves that there were two super dominant drivers, which utterly dominated their era - Michael and Juan Manuel. Actually I think that Fangio has the best percentage? Despite that, every era has its own difficulties and to compare drivers from different eras its a bit like to compare circuit and rally drivers.

So ignore what ifs - Clark has the best percentages between Senna and Schumacher and that was the issue here.

Clark was also dominant during his championship period - he won 70% and 67% of his races and poles in 1963 and 1965 AND in 1965 he was so dominant that he skipped the Monaco GP and won the Indy 500! Thats kewl baby, real kewl :s mokin:

Introduce Fangio by all means - he was even more dominant and Senna burst into tears when he met him, considering him to be the best ever. I do not mind someone disagreeing over Fangio.

I disagree that comparing drivers from different eras is not valid.

The percentages tell the truth.
2nd March 2010, 12:04
Sonic

Quote:

Originally Posted by turismo6

Has anyone posted about Red Bulls fake exhaust outlets?

Stickers applied to the rear bodywork, while the real exhaust is mounted alot lower...

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/formula-1-...tlets-exposed/

LOL Red Bull! :D

So another CoG master stroke from Newey and co? Or is this how they've created the space for a true DDD withpull rod rear suspension?
2nd March 2010, 12:52
rayburn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

Schumacher is not the greatest by percentages. Jim Clark did better than both Senna and Schumacher during a time when the cars were far more fragile, the driver's ability was more vital and the competition was extremely tough.

And all that from a career tragically, prematurely ended and only 72 grands prix. Who knows how much greater he would have been.

In addition, Clark was a multi-disciplined driver and won the Indy 500 during its heyday.

For me, Jim Clark will always be the greatest racing driver - and he was a "nice bloke" as well.

He was my boyhood hero as well, which is why he will always be the best for me, no matter what anyone on here says! :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

So ignore what ifs - Clark has the best percentages between Senna and Schumacher and that was the issue here.

Clark was also dominant during his championship period - he won 70% and 67% of his races and poles in 1963 and 1965 AND in 1965 he was so dominant that he skipped the Monaco GP and won the Indy 500! Thats kewl baby, real kewl :s mokin:

Introduce Fangio by all means - he was even more dominant and Senna burst into tears when he met him, considering him to be the best ever. I do not mind someone disagreeing over Fangio.

I disagree that comparing drivers from different eras is not valid.

The percentages tell the truth.

Well not always they don't, a good guide but not completely definitive, witness the much greater reliability of todays cars, for instance.

Apologies for going off on a tangent on this thread.....
2nd March 2010, 12:56
wedge

Can't remember where I read it, possibly James Allen, but apparently Schumi and Hamilton were sizing each other up, following each other on Sunday!

Can't wait for Bahrain!
2nd March 2010, 15:04
henners88

http://blogs.news.sky.com/sportsline...4-ce80c8d8e66d
2nd March 2010, 15:18
DazzlaF1

Dont know how much use this is but heres a top 10 list of drivers times (taking the averages of the 2 Jerez sessions and the Barcelona session) including where the newbies stand, it might suprise you who is top of the pile

TOP 10 AVERAGE

1. Kamui Kobayashi - Sauber ................ 1m 20.016
2. Jenson Button - McLaren ................ + 0.297
3. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes ................ + 0.542
4. Mark Webber - Red Bull ................ + 0.596
5. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari ................ + 0.709
6. Jaime Alguersuari - Toro Rosso ................ + 0.831
7. Robert Kubica - Renault ................ + 0.866
8. Niko Hulkenberg - Williams ................ + 0.875
9. Adrian Sutil - Force India ................ + 0.894
10. Michael Schumacher - Mercedes ................ + 0.915
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19. Timo Glock - Virgin ................ + 3.746
20. Jarno Trulli - Lotus ................ + 4.248
21. Heikki Kovalainen - Lotus ............... + 4.370
22. Lucas di Grassi - Virgin ................ + 6.526
2nd March 2010, 17:02
F1boat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

I disagree that comparing drivers from different eras is not valid.

The percentages tell the truth.

I disagree. If we follow this way of thinking, the greatest F1 team is "Brawn GP" They won a 100% of the world championships they entered. IMO the total of championships is not to be taken lightly and that's why I believe that if you can point one greatest driver (which is a bit ridiculous IMO) it should be Michael.
3rd March 2010, 01:54
Saint Devote

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1boat

I disagree. If we follow this way of thinking, the greatest F1 team is "Brawn GP" They won a 100% of the world championships they entered. IMO the total of championships is not to be taken lightly and that's why I believe that if you can point one greatest driver (which is a bit ridiculous IMO) it should be Michael.

If you seek to apply it to teams then Brawn is not a new team because strictly speaking the BGP 01 would have been the 2009 Honda albeit with a different engine.

I dont look at championships as a measure because they are quirky things given that Stirling Moss has good percentages but no championship.
3rd March 2010, 01:59
Saint Devote

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayburn

He was my boyhood hero as well, which is why he will always be the best for me, no matter what anyone on here says! :)

Well not always they don't, a good guide but not completely definitive, witness the much greater reliability of todays cars, for instance.

Apologies for going off on a tangent on this thread.....

Actually you defend my earlier point I made about era. Clark was exceptional.
3rd March 2010, 19:01
F1boat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint Devote

If you seek to apply it to teams then Brawn is not a new team because strictly speaking the BGP 01 would have been the 2009 Honda albeit with a different engine.

I dont look at championships as a measure because they are quirky things given that Stirling Moss has good percentages but no championship.

And IMO 7 or 5 is better than 0 or 2. I guess that everybody has different opinions :)
6th March 2010, 09:24
f1indiablog

Thankx

Thank you all F1 fnas who made this thread the most viewed thread in February

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