Something different:Opel kehrt in den Rallyesport zurück*:: rallye-magazin.de
Optimistic about this PLuto? :)
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Something different:Opel kehrt in den Rallyesport zurück*:: rallye-magazin.de
Optimistic about this PLuto? :)
Corsa R5 - I like the sound of that. Maybe RML could develop it as they have 1.6 turbo engine to use with any GM manufacturer (i.e. their WTCC engine can be used in GM cars other than Chevrolets). Or is the GRE ineligible in the R5 class but still eligible for RRC spec cars?
I think they got things wrong when they anunced the R2 Adam! It says in the article that the car will have a 1.6l Turbo-charged engine!!! Doesn't R2 cars have to be 1.6l normally aspirated cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
No, you´r wrong. That's for 2014 for the new Corsa R3T and R5.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
The Adam as 1.600c.c. natural aspirated engine with 145hp.
More photos from Opel Adam R2
"Ab der Saison 2014 greift Stufe zwei des modularen Rallyeprogramms, bei dem der Adam gemäß FIA R2-Reglement zum Einsatz kommt. In der technischen Grundkonfiguration stimmt das Fahrzeug mit der Cup-Variante weitgehend überein, der 1,6-Liter-Turbomotor leistet in dieser Ausführung etwa 190 PS. Für Aufsteiger lässt sich die Adam Cup-Version auf R2-Standard aufrüsten"
For what I understand from this (with google translate) is that the car will have a nearby R2 configuration for 2013, with the 1.6l atmospheric engine with 145bhp, and a R2 configuration for 2014 with a turbocharged 1.6l engine with 190bhp!!!
Which is nonsense :)
So google translated it wrong! ArghhhQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Thanks Mirek
Yes, I am more optimistic about it. I know about this project for few weeks. The biggest problem for international homologation is that they dont have ideal engine for R2 in Adam portfolio, so they have asked FIA for excuse. But the most important is that Opel wants to go into Motorsport...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
Original text in german:
Ab 2014 greift „Step 2“ unseres modular aufgebauten Rallyeprogramms, bei dem der ADAM in der R2-Version zum Einsatz kommt. Die technische Konfiguration – Frontantrieb, 1,6-Liter-Saugmotor – ist in der Basis identisch mit dem vorgenannten Triebwerk, wird aber den spezifischen R2-Anforderungen mit entsprechenden technischen Feinabstimmungen angepasst und leistet etwa 190 PS. Für „Aufsteiger“ lässt sich die Cup-Version übrigens problemlos auf R2-Standard aufrüsten.
Autonews Magazine » WRC » La Ford Fiesta R5 en janvier et la Peugeot 208 R5 en juillet - Fiesta R5 will be homologated first, 208 R5 halfway the year but I don't think we'll see any in competition next year...
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
I'm sure we will see the Fiesta, after all, Papa Wilson likes (and needs) to sell cars......
And Peugeot need a return on their investment even if it's halfway through the season.
The article says first cars will be delivered at the end of 2013. Last ERC event is the 2nd weekend of november... Maybe Peugeot wants to let them debut there? Maybe they want to wait? We'll see... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I suppose at least M-Sport will make some test Rallies earlier than that... but we'll see indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
M-Sport is planning to have first start with the car at the end of spring, Peugeot is expected at the end of summer or during autumn...
And skoda?
During 2013 I think only tests...
Fabia III will be unveiled in March 2014 I suppose. Sure we can't expect a rally car before that. Production of 2500 cars is mandatory prior the homologation.
The Adam Cup car will have 190PS. The Cup car isn't R2.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
this sentence is written pretty strange. it says: the groundsetup is identically with the cup version, the 1.6 liter turboengine in this configuration has 190hp. but its not clear if "this configuration" referrs to r2 version or to cup configuration. you could also think now that the cup version will have 190hp. you only understand it correctly if you read the whole article. anyhow it doesnt make sense, the cup version will be a naturally aspiratet 1.6 liter engine with around 140hp and the article further says that the r2 car will have 190hp from a 1.6 liter turbo engine.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFlyingTuga
but it´s great to see opel back, even though i dont like that adam, car looks like fiat500 and adam is a strange name for a car. but who cares ;) best thing is that there will be a nice cup in germany wich could bring up some talent, they have 100.000 euro pricemoney and the perspective to get into a bigger car, corsa r3 and corsa r5 that will come up later. opel defenetly has got a better image in my eyes already yet!
The name Adam is referring to the company founder Adam Opel (1837-1895) ;)
yes i know, thats why it sounds bit weird, especially for germans. because adam is a pretty oldschool name in germany(don´t know if it´s different in other countries) and also adam and eva(it´s prett likely that this is the names origin) come to my mind. i dont like it...
it´s like when you name your daughter mercedes, everyone would think of the car brand even though it had been a regular girlsname before. that´s where the name mercedes benz comes from btw.
what about the new Sub R4 driving by Arai in Hokkaido ? Will SUbaru enter this car in APRC / ERC next year ? Is the car available to be bought ?
Yes, this will be interesting to know!Quote:
Originally Posted by vino_93
Subaru seems to be still looking for some European competition.
Last year it was great to see Arai and specially Nikara.
The Finn showed great potential !
They already work on it. One of the S2000 Corsa changes heart now for test purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
I hope to see them back soon in the field.
Any update on any of the R cars for January?
Colin Clark @voiceofrally
@a_lost_irishman @Andrew_Coley M-Sport reckon a fully rally prepared R5 will cost between £200k and £250k
Cars become simpler and simpler, prices remain the same. Well done FIA.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Thats some way off the 100-150 000 euro FIA stated a while back.....
S2000 history repeats itself unfortunatly.
Must be possible to regulate this better for FIA. Now they are just sitting ducks, and the manufacturers dictate!
Still cheaper than S2000, at the moment.
I don't think the top three categories of the WRC will survive.
World Rally Car - top of the tree 33mm
Regional Rally Car / S2000 - Reduced spec strangled with 30mm
R5 - Lower cost concept that gets 32mm
Not like how GpA was when there was just one top end category of A8 that was eligible for any rally/championship.
Lets see how 2013 pans out with RRC and R5
FIA stated 180K euros for kit... So when you want an assembled car... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
The price of R5 will be quite high and very near to price of std S2000, but all the maintenance costs etc. will be lower, so at least one good step. Everything counts. I really don´t want to go to rally and see 2WD R3T cars as top category. 4wd cars are much more...spectacular.
R5 will be on same price like new atmospheric S2000 car. S2000 1,6T is more expensive for buy. But we will see how it will be with costs...
Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Correct, but when the R5/R4T discussion started, the plan was to end at around 100K Euro, not sure if that was kit or ready to drive, but think they meant the latter.
... and since the very beginning it was several times pointed out that something like that is pure utopia :)
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
they just wanted to make wrc more interesting to manufacturers due to plenty 1,6 turbo road versions.
Few years ago I ´ve heard that Pech´s Lancer Evo 9 N4 price was 125 000 Eur. And we are talking about N4, so before it was rebuilt to R4. But I don´t remember the source. Maybe it was some kind of newspaper with articles like "Local boy´s leg cought in a trap. He used saw but cut off wrong leg" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Ye ye, and I hate it when you again are right Mirek!! :mad: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mirek