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So after Petter's first good result of the year; who is with me and will say they believe Petter can get third in the driver's championship in 2008?
Loeb and Mikko are way ahead, but then Chris is on 31, Sordo and JML on about 26, with Galli and Petter on 17.
Good road position for Turkey, and even with a good result there, should also get a good psoition for Finland!
Roll on Turkey!
I'm really glad for Petter, he really deserve's this result, but I honestly don't think he'll come in third in the campionship this year.
Big relief for Petter and Subaru camp, good to hear the smiles are back :up:
In Turkey he has a chance, but in Finland no chance what so ever, this car is too slow, when was the last time someone has finished second without any fastest stage time?Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
Also BOS-guys can have a few beers tonight :)
I was hoping for more speed out of the brand new Impreza, but I guess it is not a bad start for the new era. This 2nd place is definitely more of Petter's smart calculated driving than the performance of the new machine, but I hope Subaru will build up more on this result.
Answer is Mikko Hirvonen Monte Carlo 2008 me thinks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
Petter was fastest driver day2 and car seems stable on the fast bits ,and they have some wery good split times. So I am staying positive also for Finland. They also have more testing days in hand than the other teams.
To be fair he was the only one who did not have problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
why have all the result sites stopped??
where are the pcwrc guys??
Podium ceremoni WRC before rest of the drivers run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC1
Hello everyone....
Osteberg to replace Solberg as soon as possible....The subarus are no good....the suzukis also....but Per Gunnar really milks everything out of the car amazing driving !!!Vovos should stay home next year or drive a grp N car
Loeb is just too good for everyone.....he looked amazing.
Ketomaa Novikov verunov and aigner the best of group N
Very rough rally....home its the last year i visit this disgusting area for this event...totally worthless location and the local people don;t support the event at all....
bye for now....
To be fair to say, Petter's 2nd place is all down to precision rather than speed. But I honestly hope that it is a brand new start of the Subaru era. Hopefully there will be more speed coming for the new Impreza, and more importantly winning rallies in the near future.
Good job Petter and SWRT!
i see!! thx!Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
reg
wrc1
And rally winner is.....Red Bull.... :)
N.O.T - how can you say Ostberg should replace Petter? That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard!
Petter is an ex-World Champion, who has just got 2nd in Greece, and would have had many more points if it weren't for car problems - no-one can say things like total electrical failures are his fault. Even with problems, he is 6th or 7th in the Driver's Championship. Where's Ostberg? The only thing where Ostberg is even close to Petter is on snow, and there is only one snow rally a year.
Ostberg meanwhile has finsihed almost 50 minutes behind the leader in Greece, and has shown little to no potential IMO.
Rant over, but that was a poor suggestion.
Pity about the winner........but that man Petter in 2nd is fantastic result for both him and Subaru..
That 3rd should have been for Henning, by the way, what was his trouble? i'm thinking some phrase with "suspension" around it.... EDIT: Engine, my bad.
For has got serious work to do with ther cars reliability.
My man Aava 4th! (due to the bad luck of others, but then again, from 1st place, who's not?!)
I think Vovos has done a good job, he was faster than Wilson in the same car until he retired. Especially when you know that Vovos drove for the first (and maybe last) time a Stobart Focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I almost forgot your role as No 1 provoker.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Bad hangover today ? :beer: yesterday ??!!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
During the Post Event scruteneering, car No.57 (Martin Rauam-Silver Kutt) was found not conforming to the Mitsubishi homologation form No. N-5688 as at the front brake disks of the car was noted that the cooling vanes were dissimilar and the weight of the disk lighter compared to the homologated one.
Thus, the Stewards decided to exclude car No.57 from the event.
Bad news. but at least he will be very happy the way the competition went. second place by the end of event :-)
again a top run car? :confused:
Fourth place for Aava is awesome!! :up: Watch out for him in the future! :D
Yep. Top run again!Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
**** happens.. all the time :-)
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Originally Posted by ste898
get used to it, 41 so far, I think he will make it to 60 before he retires
Stunning drive from Loeb as expected, used his head, also Petter, hope this is a return to the 03/04 Petter, these 2 really showed their experience, just as many others showed their lack.
Regarding times, remember lots of the fastest stage times were taken by super rally guys with no position to lose, or people who had lost lots of time earlier, why should Petter have pushed for stage wins when he had a great result to collect?
Rally fans make me laugh sometimes. One swallow does not a summer make!
Subaru still have a lot of development on this car to make it truely competitive.
You are right, but it was nice to see Petter drive well. Loeb drove well, saved his car, and won the Rally. The mark of a champion. Likewise Petter drove well, saved his car, and came 2nd. With the old car that would not have happened, as he would not have bothered. This drive will have his head back in the right place.Quote:
Originally Posted by ST205GT4
Two good drives in my book. Nice to see a Subaru comfortably in 2nd. I know that others will say "what if Latvala or Sordo had no problems", but they did have problems, and that folks, is rallying.
Good result:
Citroen, Subaru, Ford
You are very right! Sordo´s problems were his own fault. I saw footages of his tyres after the long stage. He was in the lead and got over exited. He was thinking that he can put a lot of time between him and Loeb and maybe he has a chance to win a rally. But he underestimated the tyrewear with such a warm weather and with clean road. On the other had Jari got the suspension damage because he was bit too wide and turbo problems.. just happens with him.. probably he is not very gentle with his car :-) So, Petters pace was very good. The fact that he was slow during the last day was caused by the road sweeping. Atko set some very good times while starting on the clean road.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowler
Also, on the last day, I'm pretty sure Petter NEVER attended to challenge for the win, the second place was far to important for him/the team to jeopardise (how the h*ll is that written? been trying different ways, this looks the best)! Actually, after the first stage on day 3, none other than Hirvonen of the top boys were risking anything, clearly seen on the results and visually.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
Another glorious win for Loeb as per new FIA's road position rule plan :s tare: ... and one Greece rally Ford won't pocket, for a change. ;)
Citroën is closing on the manu champ, it wasn't expected at all there. Will be interesting for the 2nd part of the season after the Ford ballad in Finland.
I'm a bit surprised at how Loeb and Quesnel insist quite a lot about the new C4 suspension improvements made after Mexico.
Sordo still has to learn how to deal with both speed and tire wear.
Refreshing to see a Sub so high in the final classification despite average pace and thanks to attrition.
Too bad for Henning and i don't see any Ford dirty trick to let Hirvonen clinch a podium and get more pilot's and manu points. :talk:
Pleased by Aava, want to see more from him.
Last, Suzuki guys' comittment eventually rewarded them for a couple of manu points. It's a bit of something in Greece. :up:
Russia, 2008 IIHF World Champion ! :bounce:
+Top 2 in PWRCQuote:
Originally Posted by Viking
RedBull gives you wings!
NORF2008 = JWRC first and PWRC afterQuote:
Originally Posted by Tomi
PWRC will use numbers 131-160
from http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/a...9-45-59253.pdf page 22 in finish
11. Yleistä kilpailun kulusta
11.1 Kilpailunumerot Prioriteetti 3 -ohjaajille
Junioreiden MM-sarjan kilpailijat käyttävät JWRC-sääntöjen Artiklan 9 mukaisia kilpailunumeroitaan. Tuotantoautojen MM-sarjan kilpailijat käyttävät normaaleita numeroitaan lisättynä sadalla, eli numeroita 131 - 160.
11.2 Lähtöjärjestys Prioriteetti 3 -ohjaajille
Prioriteetti 3 -ohjaajien lähtöjärjestyksessä Junioreiden MM-sarjan ohjaajat lähtevät ennen Tuotantoautojen MM-sarjan ohjaajia.
Seriously, who wants to see S1600 cars ??? :down:
Why not AFF? Spectacular they are specially if they are driven from talented hotshots! To tell you the truth I would like to see both PWRC and JWRC in the same rally!
That's the problem. One out of thirty and you might see a talented hotshot who serves the car right.Quote:
Originally Posted by kleisj
I prefer PWRC. That's where the talent lurks novadays :)
Oh and btw kleisj.
Thanks for the good reports and photos during Acropolis :up:
and same in english from NORF homepage
11. Features of the Rally
11.1 Competition Numbers for Priority 3 Drivers
Competitors in the FIA Junior WRC will be using their regular competition numbers as per Art. 9 in FIA JWRC regulations. The competitors in FIA Production Car WRC will be using a competition number equal to their regular PWRC number plus 100, i.e. competitor numbers 131 to 160.
11.2 Starting Order for Priority 3 Drivers
Among the Priority 3 drivers, competitors in the FIA Junior WRC start before Production WRC crews.
Acropolis is over and I think the officials should seriously consider to move the event to the previous location with all these beautiful stages! It was good for me to sleep home every night but still this is not a reason I would vote for the rally to stay at the present location!
The stages were very rough! Worse than last year. This doesn't help for flat out driving. Tactic gets in the way for survival!
Good Seb got it! He was fast , smart and lucky! Bravo to him because he know the way to the top better than anyone else right now.
Hirvo I believe has better tactics from his team mate. Or better luck ? I don't know. But he is still in better championship position. Fast and always nice to watch him.
Latvala reminds me a bit of McRae. Flat out all time. Great to watch. When things go well he can overhaul Loeb. And this is pretty amazing , but on the other side speed is part of the factors to take a win.
I was really hoping that the two Fords take 1-2 spots. But was never to happen.
On the other hand it was great to see Peter in the number 2 position. Crowd went nuts when he arrived at the service on Day2. I hope the car is good enough to make a fine comeback as championship contender.
Aava was maybe the star of the rally. Magnificent drive in my opinion. Extremely spectacular wherever I watched him. 4th position is a good result for his drive. I hope we see more of him with this car to gain more experience.
Sordo is starting to produce what he is paid for. Was good to watch , aggressive, but bad luck or maybe inexperience put him down the order. He hasn't won yet with a car full capable of winning. Is time for him to start playing his role in the championship.
Both PG and Garde were trying hard , but the car is not near yet where it should be. Too much oversteer or too much understeer. In any case too much sliding meaning loss of time. Great sound though from the yellow cars!
Mads is always aggressive and this is what we like to watch. Time will tell about his performance , but definitely he knows how to drive a WRC car. One of the most spectacular current drivers. He is young and I hope we can see him with official team car in the near future. He had his share of bad luck on Day2 with 3 punctures. In ss8 he passed with a front right puncture really fast! After a while though I heard on the radio that they were looking for him because he hadn't finished the stage. He had stopped to change it loosing lots of time in this ss (Aghii Theodori).
Vovos didn't spend much time learning the car. Drove for 1st time and he put down good times beating some wrc regulars, he could have taken a really good position at the end. But he had bad luck and had to retire. Anyway we were really happy to watch him and hope next year he will have better luck with the same kind of car.
PWRC.
Great quality of drivers. I would say that the most spectacular was Bernando Sousa. Really aggressive with the car a few cms away from disaster in more than some cases, cost him time though! Maybe Ostberg kind of driving hehehe! But he got 2nd place at the end behind his team mate! Aigner was spectacular and fast as well! Got the win at the end! Congratulation to him and his team. In general Prokop, Haninnen ofcourse, Athanasoulas, Vertunov, Arauho, Brynildsen, Al-Attiyah, Baldacci and a few others who I can't remember now were really good to watch and produced fast really fast times! I thought it will be boring to watch them but now I have a really different opinion!!!
EDIT: I forgot about Sandel. Good good, but the S2000 was never near the N4s at least at the places I watched!
During the rally I've heard many things about the tyres. They were much heavier than the Michelins and all of the crews had problems with them. Some more some less, but they all did. It is estimated that they are 8kgs more than the Michelins. Anyway in all these years I don't remember Ford having suspension failures in Acropolis rally.... I don't know any details though , but I would welcome any comments on that if someone knows.
No prob, I have around 600 pics from day2 and 3. Problem is how to upload all these material!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3316/tfr612ix4.gif
I will find a way though!!!