And if we repeat it plenty of times than 1=2 will be true?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
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And if we repeat it plenty of times than 1=2 will be true?!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
A quick search on Autosport will show many clashes between the two over a number of different issues. It's quite illuminating :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ioan
A quick search will get you also clashes between the other teams and the FIA, so what, did Max try to get rid of them?! Doesn't look like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Don't underestimate Max, if he wanted Ron and McCheats destroyed than he would have ultimately achieved it, but he didn't want that, he only wanted the truth to come out, that Ron lied and his team cheated! I know it's difficult to accept, it would have been for me too if it was about Ferrari, but you ought to take it like men.
A good point, but then Ron only runs McLaren. Perhaps Max is swayed by personal animosity.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
You may be forgetting this report. From that it seems Max would have preferred to see McLaren excluded from the championship for two years. Fortunately common sense prevailed. Still, Max felt exclusion from 2007 and a $100m fine was "a very minor punishment".Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Very powerful people, including BE, wanted to get rid of him and created the scandal we all know for that purpose, however he proved he is stronger than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Do you believe that he couldn't have got McLaren banned for 2 seasons if he really wanted to?
Don't be foolish, what Max acted in F1's best interests and accepted a compromise with McLaren. When they found several Ferrari systems on the new car he had what he needed to throw them out for good, still he did what was right for the sport and only asked for a public apology from them ( and Ron "integrity" Dennis wasn't even man enough to sign it himself! ).
Steady on old chap. Are you suggesting that Bernie somehow engineered the whole thing? Persuarded Max to visit prostitutes and arranged for the ensuing orgy to be filmed? I'm sure you're not suggesting that, becuase that would be a serious and potentially libellous accusation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Actually it was MI5 working in concert with the Anglo-Mafia! :p :
For someone with such an open (as in the lights are on but nobody's home :laugh: ) mind, you do sound rather like a scratched record.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Are you seriously suggesting, nay claiming, that Max doesn't let his animosity to Ron affect his decisions?
McLaren had Ferrari data. That is a fact and some of that information was indeed used. Nobody is denying that although for some reason you feel the need to constantly bring it up and claim nobody accepts the fact. McLaren received a $100M fine etc and Max claimed this was letting them off lightly.
So, my dear chap. Tell me about le cheats then. Why is Renault having McLaren parts on their car not dealt with similarly? For someone with such an open mind, it looks obvious on the surface, does it not.
Oh, I see! An open mind is only useful when you can change your stance to suit your arguement :p :
;) Hhmmmm... it seems like having.... "an open mind"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
in an attempt to defend Max's vindictive WITCH HUNT of Dennis...
accompanlied with...
an egregious SEX SCANDAL,
simply displays one's inability to provide a sound arguement !!!
That Max did not do the same - you can't work on any thechnology that could be deemed McLaren Ideas to Renault (who had detailed documentation of the McLaren J Damper loaded on their computer system) is an insult. It does demonstrate though his bias, doesn't it. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
You know the saying - if you had twice as many brain cells you'd be a......?
Is there now perhaps an understanding why someone keeps bringing up fruit comparisons? :p :
The only thing MI5 are any good at is leaving laptops on trains.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
I would just like to note, that I would think that if someone walked into one of those dungeons like where Max visited and said "I need a prostitute/hooker/whore" I would suspect they would be quickly shown the door...
Funny, seems like some are suffering from a power outage :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
If you look at the whole spygate incident, Max had plenty of opportunity to stick a knife into RD but didn't...Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Stop reading that Brundle BS... you should already be aware of the stink it carries... smell like...
The first paragraph answers your question in the later... Renault weren't given the $100m fine and the fun that goes with it because there was no evidence to suggest they used the McLeran information... exactly the same punishment that McLeran recieved at first time around concerning the stepneygate saga... But I guess giving McLeran a warning first time around was Max's attempt at getting rid of RD?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Probably, seeing as most of them allegedly only spoke German :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by PSfan
I tend to put forward facts backed up by the opinions of people involved in the sport. The truth doesn't change just because it's ignored by a very small minority :rolleyes:Quote:
Funny, seems like some are suffering from a power outage :rolleyes:
Nope, he let him off with a kiss on the cheek like he did with Renault :laugh:Quote:
If you look at the whole spygate incident, Max had plenty of opportunity to stick a knife into RD but didn't...
If you remember correctly, he wanted to throw them out for a couple of years and bankrupt them. What he was forced to do was fine them an unprecidented amount of money. I think he's still upset he didn't finish Ron off personally but that's only an opinion.
It actually makes perfect sense and is a widely held view in the sport. Just because you don't like it doesn't really change anything as the people that matter are the ones saying it.Quote:
Stop reading that Brundle BS... you should already be aware of the stink it carries... smell like...
There was evidence. It was a whitewash.Quote:
The first paragraph answers your question in the later... Renault weren't given the $100m fine and the fun that goes with it because there was no evidence to suggest they used the McLeran information... exactly the same punishment that McLeran recieved at first time around concerning the stepneygate saga... But I guess giving McLeran a warning first time around was Max's attempt at getting rid of RD?
I'm sure most readers understood the point I was making... but if I need to repeat myself, this disclaimer taken from a a dom from Calgary says it best:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
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Originally Posted by Lady Seraphina
Facts backed by opinions???Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Also I hadn't realised people involved in the sport had an opinion on ioans "lights being on"
Well, I'm not sure about the kiss on the cheek, but at first he was gonna let them off until emails and such suggested an attempt to use the Ferrari data was used contrary to what Mcleran's claims where.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
If Max was really out to get RD, fines and other penalties could have been levied before the Alonso - PDR messages came to light...
Based on precidents from the WRC... the 2 year ban was expected... As I posted before, if Max was really out to get RD he could have leveraged the Stepneygate saga to more effect to get RD out of the sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
The link that Arrows provided ealier about the "double standards" is a prime example... it ignores the FACT that Mcleran was initially given the same penalty that renault received and bases everythin ont the "out to get Mcleran theory that is laughable at best...Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Thanks to "witchhunt" and "pikey" comments, pretty soon that Times column might be the only thing on Martin's plate... the sport will be better when that happens...
What evidence? based on the timing of it... Renault had gotten useless information... they where defending champions at the time, and the only thing of value maybe was the j-damper, and only because of the simularities to their mass dampers system that was deemed illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
You have a very healthy fantasy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Look who's talking, again! :rolleyes:
The poorest argument ever to be expressed in this thread! Thanks a lot! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by trumperZ06
:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
The truth isn't in people's opinions (and even those are carefully selected to suit your POV)! The truth is in the facts. Hope it isn't to big of a shock for you to accept that! :p :
Don't worry PSfan, we all know that Knockie is venting his frustrations around here, using all kind of "intelligent" snipes about language and lights...Quote:
Originally Posted by PSfan
Better not bother him, who knows what happens if he gets more frustrated.
:p : The problem is Ioan,Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Many of us lose patience with you when you...
CONTINUE to refuse to acknowlege the "FACTS".
Arrows... as well as many many others, time & time and time again,
give you reference sources that back up statements... that you refuse to accept.
Just take a few minutes to look and you'll see...
how FEW people agree with you...
compared to the MANY who make fun of your posts.
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Originally Posted by trumperZ06
Honestly, I don't give a rat's a$$ about you losing patience or not.
Statements are not always reflections of facts.
Tell me, the US official statements about Iraqi mass destruction weapons were about facts or about fiction?! :p :
:s mokin:
[quote="ioan"]Honestly, I don't give a rat's a$$ about you losing patience or not.
:s mokin:[/QUOTE
BRUHAAAHAAA... way to go Ioan...
:p : Your mind's made up... we shouldn't confuse you with FACTS !!!
:dozey: Remind me... not to mess mess around with morons...
they try to bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Less stupid, more topic.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle4200459.eceQuote:
Bernie Ecclestone has taken the unprecedented step of issuing an denial that he or anyone associated with him was involved in the exposure of Max Mosley’s predilection for sado-masochistic sex with prostitutes.
In an interview with The Times, Ecclestone, the billionaire Formula One commercial rights holder, said he had no interest in “destroying” the embattled FIA president. The men have been close friends and business associates for more than 40 years, but their friendship is under severe strain after Mosley’s refusal to resign as result of the scandal.
“It is nothing in the world to do with me in any shape or form,” Ecclestone said at his London office. “Secondly, this sort of thing is not my style - not the sort of way I would operate. Thirdly, there is no way in the world that I would want to destroy Max. To suggest I would want to do that is such a lot of b****cks, quite frankly - it’s not true.”
So, after accusations being made against MI5 and Ron Dennis now it's Bernie's turn :rolleyes:
Do not worry, the truth will eventually come to the surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Round up the usual suspects .Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
This is hardly a surprise , is it ?
MI5 wife directly involved , so MI5 investigated . Seems logical .
Ron , known adversary , investigated . Also logical .
Bernie , current adversary in high level talks , investigated . Seems even more logical .
Way better plot than last year's scandal , as , in that one , we knew "who dunnit" .
Or throw enough mud around. Some may stick somewhere :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
The instigator of last year's "...gate" was a lot easier to find. He wore red and worked in Maranello :p
Maybe 'her indoors' had had enough, and it was time for revenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
I can imagine, if Spitting Image were still going, they would portray Mr & Mrs Mosley like John and Norma Major - grey, pushing peas round the dinner plate not talking to each other. Allegedly ;)
Perhaps his Son wanted a Ferrari more than daddy realised....... possibly.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68627Quote:
The FIA is to conduct a full review on how Formula One is governed in the future, in a move that could be viewed as a bid to enhance the governing body's control of the sport at the expense of Bernie Ecclestone.
And the FIA's bid to increase its influence was further emphasised when it announced plans to create a Formula Two championship from the start of 2009 - something that would be in direct competition to the Ecclestone-supported GP2 Series.
;) Watching Mad Max and his cronies attempting to finger a culprit...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Kinda reminds one of a blindfolded person thashing around...
trying to hit a Pinotta !!!
Sounds like you know whodunnit , Trump .Quote:
Originally Posted by trumperZ06
Give us a clue .
There is war brewing and it's going to be bloody.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Can the FIA survive?
The horrible thing is that it's like looking at a car crash in slow motion. You can see exactly what's happening but cannot do anything about it.
Max has gone way beyond being an embarrassment now to being the catalyst and driving force for conflict. I trully believe that his ego and pride is what's perpetuating this.
"The FIA will enter into a wide-ranging consultation with the Formula One teams to examine plans for improved efficiency, including new technical regulations for the Championship. This will also involve a review of the governance of Formula One," said the statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
"The FIA will invite tenders for a new feeder series for Formula One," the governing body said.
"This championship, called Formula Two, would be launched in 2009 and used as an inexpensive platform to develop emerging driver talent for Formula One. It is hoped this can be achieved within a budget of around €200,000 a car per season."
I think those ideas are sound! Especially the ones that take
dictatorial rights away from Bernie and give them to the teams.
But you are right about one thing. Bernie ain't gona' like it.
:rotflmao:Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I say it's Bernie's greed that is perpetuating this situation.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20510.htmlQuote:
...there are clear indications that Max Mosley is pushing ahead with his strategy to improve his historical reputation by creating the sport as it ought to be - rather than the sport he had fashioned before the scandal began. Fixing the perceived wrongs of the sport helps to deflect attention away from his failings, while at the same time offering a better legacy.
Interesting talk from the Middle East. Interesting indeed. Max would have lost the vote but for the support of one man.
More here:
http://www.gulfnews.com/sport/Motor_Rally/10223096.html
1) There is absolutely no need for another F1 feeder series when one already exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
2) The costs are unrealistic
3) The time frame is unrealistic
4) It is a move motivated by politics, not motorsport
5) The FIA should concern themselves with regulating existing series efficiently and fairly, and not become promotors.
Max's F2 is not a sound idea at all.
What pisses me off about these political moves is that once again those of us who have an interest in motorsport will be the losers. Max and Bernie can tear ten tonnes of crap out of each other for all I care, but if in doing so the sport (F1 in particular because that's my main interest) is damaged then I'd rather go spend my money at events like the HSCC Historic Festival at Brands Hatch with F1, Sports Cars, F3, FFord and Saloon Cars all on the same bill on the same day.
Max has already damaged the sport by clinging on to power. He's now threatening to do more damage :down:
And look who is hosting a new GP on the 15th November 2009 :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
You talk like Bernie! :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
Max is coming up with very sound proposals for motorsport in this moment!
All Bernie is doing is to make life difficult for Max and thus for motorsport (especially F1) too. :\
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
And even better is the FACT that Bernie is the one who is in charge with signing new F1 venues, not Max.
Did you miss this little detail?! :rotflmao: