If plans were found, what good are these to another team? unless they are plans of next year's car?
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If plans were found, what good are these to another team? unless they are plans of next year's car?
Does that really matter. The team is still guilty if this helped.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
Also isnt it odd that A Macca chief designer get's Ferrari data from Stepney and he just keeps it as a souvenir!??
Wake up guys....This is gonna tarnish Mclaren for good...And I am not a Ferrari fan (only MS fan). I want Hamilton to win the WDC this year...
http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formu...lomclaren.shtml
The 500 page document received by the Mclaren employee contained the following information:
The 500 pages contain:
- construction drawings and data of the F2007;
- details of the internal structures and workflows in Maranello;
- information on the main engineers;
- data on car setups;
- race strategies;
- preparation of the cars;
- development plans for the future;
- quality control standards;
- testing results.
I just cannot believe this. There are definitely more people involved. Why would Nigel just send this info to an old friend. I hope the police get to the bottom of all this soon.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formu...lomclaren.shtml
The 500 page document received by the Mclaren employee contained the following information:
The 500 pages contain:
- construction drawings and data of the F2007;
- details of the internal structures and workflows in Maranello;
- information on the main engineers;
- data on car setups;
- race strategies;
- preparation of the cars;
- development plans for the future;
- quality control standards;
- testing results.
In other words, they got everything...If they really have all of that, it is not believable that only one McLaren person is involved. A car designer would not really benefit from race strategy, test results, etc. Of couse, they were careful to insulate other higher-ups. However, if money changed hands, it may be possible to prove wider participation at McLaren.
I just cannot believe this. I hope the police get to the bottom of all this soon.
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Originally Posted by f1rocks
Well, I feel sorry for you that you cannot discuss this topic on a rational ubiased manner. How do you know that the McLaren person used the plans to advantage the McLaren cars? For your information, the FIA are looking into it right now.
And if you want to push the point that you are a fan of SchM and not Ferrari, we can open one helluva can of worms in that direction, so it's better for you to unlax a little. We don't want another SchM bash thread here - we don't need it anymore; he has retired, so let it go.
It would benefit the guy greatly if the alleged persons involved are both planning to move to another team.Quote:
Originally Posted by f1rocks
By the way, your link doesn't work.
Here you go again. Its in Italian but I am sure by tommorrow we will see a lot more in English..Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formul...omclaren.shtml
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And I feel sorry for you as well because you have no beef in your arguments. All you can do is to get personal. We have a forum and that is why we discuss things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
And do you have an answer to why Mike needed those documents from Nigel. Why have Mclaren suspended their Chief Designer ??? Try debating issues instead of resorting to personal attacks...
The same way they looked at Mclaren team orders at Monaco. Hopefully this time we have the civil courts as well to decide who was guilty...Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
I am posting my facts stating that I am no longer biased towards Ferrari as MS has retired. But as always you like to twist things and get personal .. I am a Lewis fan and want him to be WDC this year. But I still want Mclaren to lose their WCC points if proven guilty....Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
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Originally Posted by f1rocks
I am very sorry if my post turned out to be attacking you - that is far from my intention; my sincerest apologies :(
I can only reiterate that both guys might be wanting to go to a different team next year and that would benefit them greatly for next year.
Glad to see you are now a Lewis Hamilton fan - I think he's a great addition to F1.
Yes, very odd. The whole situation is very odd. For all anyone knows Coughlan may have been as surprised as anyone that this information landed on his doorstep.Quote:
Originally Posted by f1rocks
There is nothing to suggest that McLaren, as a team, either initiated contacted with Nigel Stepney, or approached him in any way. For whatever reasons, not yet fully explained, Stepney appears to have sent documents to Coughlan who is someone he has worked with in the past someone he presumably trusts.Quote:
Originally Posted by f1rocks
This whole issue appears to have begun with Stepney's wish to leave Ferrari following the break-up of the "dream team". That's the starting point for all of this.