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Originally Posted by jparker

I'm not saying Loeb is not one of the best drivers, but is he the best of the best?

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yes he is...

Makinen had the same treatment in mitsubishi, Solberg at Subaru, Gronholm at peugeot and generally teams support their best driver the best way they can... the fact that you do not remember it is probably because you do not want to accept the facts because they hurt too much.

Loeb arrived at citroen in team where Sainz was paying to rally through telefonica and Mcrae with the most expensive contract in the team... he treated them like they were nobodies and discarted them like they were used diapers...

The difference between Loeb and the afformentioned sick dogs is that Loeb was man enough to make full use of the support he was getting to become the best motorsport driver ever lived so far.

Best Motorsport driver ever? That's a big call..... He's probably the best of the current era, but best ever, hmmm. I'd check your motorsport history books before making that claim.

Well he's not the first one to say it. For sure it is not that unlikely.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

yes he is...

Makinen had the same treatment in mitsubishi, Solberg at Subaru, Gronholm at peugeot and generally teams support their best driver the best way they can..

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Yes he is top driver but you say about tommi and marcus.loeb had always top car the other two NO.solberg for sure is many levels down to loeb but how many years had top car?these are facts NOT
Tell me one year from 2004-2011 that loeb hadnt top car.all i want to say is that yes heaybe is the best of the best but he had the perfect conditions for that
I dont think he could take a title with evo 7 for example.

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

Yes he is top driver but you say about tommi and marcus.loeb had always top car the other two NO.solberg for sure is many levels down to loeb but how many years had top car?these are facts NOT
Tell me one year from 2004-2011 that loeb hadnt top car.all i want to say is that yes heaybe is the best of the best but he had the perfect conditions for that
I dont think he could take a title with evo 7 for example.

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the first few championships he won with citroen (maybe2-3) the car was crap on gravel and top on tarmac then he indeed had the top car.

Makinen always had the top car apart from his last year with mitsubishi... then he moved to a championship winning car and was run over like a newborn dog from Solberg... Gronholm as well managed to lose a championship with the best car which was the peugeot...

only 2 drivers won championships with cars that where not top... Loeb and Burns.

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Originally Posted by AndyRAC

Best Motorsport driver ever? That's a big call..... He's probably the best of the current era, but best ever, hmmm. I'd check your motorsport history books before making that claim.

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you can check whatever books you like... the facts are facts...

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

the first few championships he won with citroen (maybe2-3) the car was crap on gravel

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No he was just bulding his speed pn gravel the car was ok.when you say crap you mean worse than 307?

by the way we are off topic... if mods wake up and move the things about Loeb to an appropriate thread i can ridicule all the naysayers there... no need to show your incompetence at understanding simple facts on every thread.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Gronholm as well managed to lose a championship with the best car which was the peugeot...

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Peugeot was quite fragile that year, may be fastest car, but not the best.

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Originally Posted by nafpaktos

No he was just bulding his speed pn gravel the car was ok.when you say crap you mean worse than 307?

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yes..

plus he won against the top evolution of 206 as well...