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16th December 2012, 10:16
ioan

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Originally Posted by Roamy

WEll growing up I never thought I would see airport security. Obviously the world has changed and we have to deal with those changes. I can tell you in this country probably one of the most
rapidly growing areas is in fact security. I wonder what they do in israel. If you figure out how to collect all the guns let us know. But I assume metal detectors is probably much cheaper and more realistic. If I had school age children I would have no problem with very enhanced security.

To be honest Israel is more relaxed then the US even though in their case one could argue that the danger is higher then in the US.
And BTW they do not own and wear guns all day long. Funny, isn't it?
16th December 2012, 10:20
ioan

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Originally Posted by Roamy

wake up ioan all the people are DEAD that is the problem

Wake up Roamy, the underlying reasons are completely different, and I could even go as far as saying that the USA has the biggest blame for the Spain bombings too as they are the ones who scorned the whole Middle East along with their long time protegee Israel, yet we pay the price for it sometimes.
It is your guns loving culture that doesn't really help in both cases solve the issues for good.
16th December 2012, 10:22
ioan

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

Absolutely. How discussions of who to apportion blame to after massacres always come back to video games, instead of, say, access to mental health services is completely ridiculous.

It's all about moving the discussion away from those pesky guns.
16th December 2012, 10:32
ioan

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Originally Posted by ShiftingGears

Columbine: Whose Fault Is It? | Culture News | Rolling Stone

An article about the Colombine shootings, by Marilyn Manson. Still poignant.

One of the best parts:

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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents.

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Funny that guns aren't considered dangerous enough to be banned.
16th December 2012, 10:43
Knock-on

I think Morgan Freemans comments have merit.

Surprising message from Morgan Freeman. He blames the media for CT shooting. | Peace . Gold . Liberty

We glamorise celebrity and it doesn't seem to matter what fame you achieve. Singers, celebrity idiots eating Kangaroo balls, sportspeople doing ballroom dancing or a bunch of nobodies acting like fools in a community house. The only way is Essex or The only way is murder.

Guns are a reality in America. The people that seem so deep set in their Conservative ways regarding Abortion, Contraception, Homosexuality, equality for women, different religions and race are appaulled that anyone might attempt to curtail their rights over Gun ownership.

While you have a perverse demand for tittilatio and, the free access to firearms, you will continue to get these attrocities.
16th December 2012, 10:46
ioan

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The only mental issue is that you euro Types actually believe your government will protect you.

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Mail Online

Believe it or not there is a reason why European Cities rank way above the US cities in the life quality statistics, and crime (well the lack of it) is also one reason for that.
Going from one fire arm related crime to two in a decade would be a 100% increase, but I am sure you already know that. Or maybe not?!
The point is Europe far outnumbers the US in population, yet we come nowhere near in crime levels, let alone fire arms related ones.

Take for Example Vienna, Austria, a 2million inhabitants city where we get about 20 murders in a year. How does that compare to US cities?

Why is that every 2nd TV movie in the US is about cops and crime and drugs and so on? Does it have any connection to your paranoia for owning guns to protect yourselves?

Instead of spitting venom about the mental issues that the euro do not really have, you might want to take a look in the mirror, it might help you see your own issues and cure them.

And yes our governments certainly do a better job at protecting us then yours does, the numbers are out there and tell the story for everyone to see.
16th December 2012, 10:52
ioan

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Originally Posted by Starter

What if the intruder's gun jammed or he forgot to load it? Ifs and buts do not make a world you can reasonably live in. I prefer SOME chance as opposed to NO chance. And that's just the difference in our takes on life.

What are the chances for that? 1%? Maybe less.
Face it, your if's and buts are as you say not making a world you can live in, so what about just getting rid of guns and not needing the What IF the intruder's gun jammed or he forgot to load it?
To difficult? Well face it, you are addicted to guns just as the junkies are addicted to drugs, maybe even worse cause some of them can get rid of their addiction while you are defending yours!
16th December 2012, 10:54
ioan

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Originally Posted by Starter

A very clear understanding of the difference between many European countries and the US. Guns have been part of society here since the place was settled - four hundred some years now. They exist in huge quantities. There is NO practical way anyone can make them go away. Therefore, the prudent person will do what they deem to be the best choice for them and their family. Some choose one way and others a different way.

Weapons have been freely available to Europe's inhabitants thousands of years before America was settled by your ancestors, yet we are not keeping weapons at home, to 'defend' ourselves against imaginary dangers.
16th December 2012, 10:56
ioan

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Originally Posted by Starter

And 47 some million Americans own guns with the hugely vast majority never shooting anyone.

But when they do....
And they do it rather often.

And I am sure that those 40 parents and hundreds of relatives will agree with you that guns are good to have, especially for murdering people.
16th December 2012, 10:59
ioan

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Originally Posted by Starter

Do you buy life insurance, fire insurance or auto insurance? Your chances of needing either are small (else the insurance companies would go out of business). Does that mean you are frightened?

Other than life insurance, which I don't have as it is pointless IMO, the other two are a legal requirement. So what was your point? Does the US law require you to buy guns instead of maybe financing universal healthcare and a better social system that would take people of the streets and greatly reduce the chances of crime, as we did in Europe?

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