2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Actually to me that would be a Middle Party. And yes to the lobbyists - should I use my 10mm or 460 mag?
BTW do you include small business in the wage earner category?

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Depends on the small business definition. I'm a one man business. I buy the steel and aluminum and springs and inserts and shocks, I pick up and chop up the steel and aluminum, sometimes i run the parts, sometimes Bob---the guy who owns all the machines, runs my parts while I run some of his, I drop the stuff off to get anodized and cad plated, I assemble, pack address, and ship and do the correspondence.. Yesterday from 0720 to 0130---late cause I had billing to do.
That's the making of race car (rally car) suspension. Then there's the motor parts, motor builds, and specials, like a run of 10 then 25 light steel flywheels for turbo rwd Volvos.


Its a small "business" or "sole proprietorship" but its mostly just dumb work---since the Big Boys of wall Street wrecked the economy its not made much more than break even plus a couple of thou after a full year, but gotta do it or you disappear.

That is a legit question, I know farmers may be "small" business and -if htere's any left---turn over 1.2 million for a profit of 15-20k...

In that case i's say, yeah he's in the same boat as me, and ordinary wage earners...

But its quite a stretch to imagine that the worries are the same for somebody teetering along on 30k-40k a year and somebody
"barely surviving" at 185k...

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Voting for Obama this November reminds me of the saying....

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing... Government controls everything.

First off, the Government is for the people, here to protect its people, not run the people's everyday life.

Im not a big Romney fan either but he is definitely the better choice and my opinion, the only choice we have. We CANNOT afford 4 more years of Obama. My favorite candidate we had was Herman Cain, for those of you wondering.

But these recent attacks on US Embassies, lack of Israel support and Iran situation has really got me upset.

Mr. President....Attacking US Embassies is an act of war and you are doing nothing to defend them or America. He wont meet with the Israel Prime Minister but invites the Egypt Muslim Brotherhood leader over here ? Why, I have no understanding of that. He apologizes to Islamic countries about our beliefs in Islam but doesnt defend us when they attack our country's beliefs and way of life. Disgusting.


And in America, we all know his failures here..

Record National Debt over 16 trillion dollars. He has increased the National Debt more than all other presidents combined!
Unemployment higher than ever
Oil Prices high
Ruining the healthcare system
Lack of Military Support
Not defending our borders
Not enforcing illegal immigration but insteads caters to them, lets them stay here, work, get driver's licenses, etc...
Our Nation's credit rating has dropped to AA-

I could go on and on but I wont. America will fall if he stays in office another 4 years. I am a veteran and to see this country being destroyed by him is very upsetting and depressing.

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Originally Posted by Starter

It would be a mistake to characterize all people who have positions in the above two groups as either stupid or crazy. While it's true that some of the more rabid and extreme have taken front page (blame the media for overly sensationalizing), many are just nice people who have certain core beliefs, particularly on religious matters. I don't agree with them on many things, but I respect their positions.

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Do you extend the same 'respect' to, say, the views of al Qaida? Where does this 'respect' for views with which you disagree end? I have no respect at all for homophobes, anti-abortionists, or so forth. Why should I, when I consider their views not only to be wrong but also damaging?

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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With that statement, you disqualify yourself from making any political comment, in my opinion. Have you ever encountered an actual socialist or Communist?

Socialism is very very different from communism. Most European countries are socialist to some degree. That doesn't make them communist. Not even close.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Socialism is very very different from communism. Most European countries are socialist to some degree. That doesn't make them communist. Not even close.

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To add to that, many prominent socialist politicians in the post-war years, for example in the first post-war Labour government in Britain, were amongst the most vehement anti-Communists one could have encountered. I suspect this is rather too subtle a distinction for some to grasp.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

With that statement, you disqualify yourself from making any political comment, in my opinion. Have you ever encountered an actual socialist or Communist?

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As Mark said, there is a big difference betwee the two.

Let's educate ourselves correctly when throwing out terms like socialism and communism or any "ism" for that matter.

Just a quick thought slightly OT. The Government (and all of it's recourses) of The United States of America has Identified the three hate-mongers that made the video that started all the latest protests over what has to be an extremely offensive video to Muslims in Africa and the Mid-East (has anybody seen it?) The apparent ring leader is an Egyptian ex-patriot who is also a Coptic Christian that hates the fact that his ex-country is for the most part Muslim. He is in custody. The other two are in hiding, with friends saying they have received credible death threats. :dozey:
I was asking my sister who is a defense attorney that only handles capitol felonies, and I'm guessing she is very good at what she does, because she has ongoing concerns that because of pleas and not guilty verdicts she has taken measures to protect herself from dissatisfied "alleged victims", and even the police. I asked her if these three will be able to at least be tried for involuntary manslaughter. She said that it is not the proper course of action. A little to my surprise she said they will more likely be tried for crimes against “The State” in Federal Court, and then much to my surprise she added: "that way they can send them to Gitmo"!!!!!! Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Obama HAS TO GO. This guy is a Socialist/Communist, however you want to call it, pretty much the same thing...

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You know that I don't like your favorite driver. But as I've said, I've always thought that you were a nice guy and a good racing fan, Chad. So I'm not saying any of this to insult or offend you. Don't take it that way. But if you don't know that communism and socialism are NOT pretty much the same thing, then you really don't know what you're talking about.

Here's what it comes down to: I support your right to believe anything you want. I support your right to support any candidate that you choose. But before you can define someone as something, it's quite necessary for you to at least know the definition. M'kay? :)